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Milliband on Englishness .... confused much?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 08/06/2012 13:17

I wonder where the policy advisors were. On holiday, possibly. Anyone catch the interviews yesterday? I'm not sure what he was trying to achieve exactly - somewhere between defending the Union and getting on the jubilee patriotic bandwagon. But apparently Milliband's a jewish atheist that is proud to be English and British and European... but not too proud as he presumably doesn't want to upset the Scots at all, or the Europeans, or Jewish people. Although the Scots won't be British if they get independence and his favourite aspect of Englishness appears to be 'musn't grumble'.

Well that's clear then... Confused

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MiniTheMinx · 08/06/2012 16:29

Yes and jolly good it is too. Several members of my family refused to fight in WW2, what a brilliant thing it would be if no one went to war.

claig · 08/06/2012 16:25

'The workers have no country'

This is Marxist mumbo-jumbo, Bolshevik baloney, communist claptrap and progressive poppycock with a dash of New Labour nonsense for good measure.

The worker in the munitions factory, the worker making Spitfires, the worker in the shipyards had a country, they had a side. The soldier on the frontline has a side, they have a country and they fight for their country. The Marxist has no country, but the Marxist is no worker, more often a shirker.

The workers will support their national team in the Euros and not the other side. Scots support Scotland, the English support England, Poles support Poland and Marxists support no side other than communists.

MiniTheMinx · 08/06/2012 16:10

"The workers have no country", as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels wrote in The Communist Manifesto. "We cannot take from them what they have not got

This statement is correct. Whether you blame labour or you blame the corporations and businesses, this statement is correct. We have no boarders. Workers are exploited not just where they reside but they are encouraged to reside, where they can be exploited.

Workers have more in common in a global world than we have ever had at any other time in history.

claig · 08/06/2012 15:51

He has taken the battle to the heart of Tory terrirtory and said I am as patriotic as you, now what are you going to do?

claig · 08/06/2012 15:41

The title of the progressive Owen Jones's article is
'The incoherence of Englishness, and why Ed Miliband's England is a lost
country'

England may be a lost country to a progressive like Jones, for he cannot see beyond the materialism of the Marxist, he cannot see beyond the confusion of the communist and cannot think beyond the platitudes of teh progressive.

It may be lost to Jones, but Miliband does not want to lose the next election. He wants to be for and of the people, not led up the garden path by the progressive.

claig · 08/06/2012 15:30

His speech will go down well with the Daily Mail. A very wise move by his advisers.

claig · 08/06/2012 15:25

Very good speech by Miliband. He has addressed the elephant in the room, the elephant that the left have often downplayed and sometimes disrespected in their fear of creating division. He knows that patriotism and identity will become more important issues as Scotland discusses devolution, and instead of doing the usual ostrich-like leftwing behaviour of brushing over the obvious reality and sticking heads in sand, he has set out a position.

Here is the typical leftwing type thinking from Owen Jones in the Independent, telling us that Marx and Engels were right

'But Marx and Engels were right: it is our conflicting interests that make national identity so problematic. A supermarket checkout worker in Manchester has more in common with a call centre worker in Aberdeen ? or Paris or Athens, for that matter ? than, say, a hedge-fund manager or globe-trotting billionaire based in London.'

I think Miliband realises that this is left wing nonsense. The London banker, if brought up in England, shares the same language, the same culture and the same music as the checkout worker in Manchester. They watch the same TV programmes, studied the same GCSEs, support the same football teams, and watch the same pageant on their TV screens.

Marx, Engels and Owen Jones are wrong - the checkout worker shares more in common with the London banker than with a checkout worker in Paris or Athens - for culture is more than Marxist materialism, it is the soul of a nation.

It looks like Miliband understands that and realises that he may have to upset the leftwing litterati and chatterati by telling them the truth. He knows he has to be with the people and not the progressives, if he is to stand any chance of power.

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-the-incoherence-of-englishness-and-why-ed-milibands-england-is-a-lost-country-7827757.html

MammaBrussels · 08/06/2012 13:58

I particularly liked this line: "The English people don?t yearn for simplistic constitutional symmetry"

Yes we bloody well do!

Actually, I quite liked the bit about further devolution to LAs.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 08/06/2012 13:21

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