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BBC bias. Boris 51.5%: "tight margin". Hollande 51.7%: "clear victory"

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longfingernails · 07/05/2012 10:40

The left-wing propoganda spouted by the BBC really is relentless.

I am disappointed that they got off with a cash freeze in the licence fee. A 75% cut would have been far more appropriate.

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EdithWeston · 07/05/2012 12:02

The example of how the subjective words could have been used the other way round wasn't intended as an example of an actual headline. It was meant to illustrate how the words could be used the other way round with same accuracy but different effect and, because of that, how the selection is an example of editorial preference.

PullUpAPew · 07/05/2012 11:55

Oh god, LFN its not all a conspiracy. The Tories had a shit election, the media reported it. The Mail had the same slant as the beeb.

Sorry your team took a bashing, happens to them all at some point.

But given two years ago Cameron was way higher in the polls with the beeb reporting news then too, I don't see why they are to blame for his bad results now.

Ponders · 07/05/2012 11:37

yoou didn't hear Eddie Mair ripping into Chris Bryant the other day then, lfn?

margerykemp · 07/05/2012 11:37

They were dealing with very different sized populations though. The numbers of voters who swung both these elections must have been much much higher in France therefore it WAS a much stronger result.

longfingernails · 07/05/2012 11:34

The depths to which the left go to defend the BBC are not really surprising, really - if I were left-wing, I too would go out of my way to promote Guardian TV.

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PullUpAPew · 07/05/2012 11:30

Edith your suggested headlines may be factually correct but they are a bit zzzzzz so I am assuming you don't work in print journalism!

PullUpAPew · 07/05/2012 11:28

It is how political reporting goes, it's how it is. I don't understand why people get their knickers/underpants in a twist really. Basically 'Boris won by a small bit' is less exciting than 'Mayorla race cliff hanger'.

If you're so clever as to run every story through your own political filter anyway, what difference does it make? Surely everyone is capable of that - or do you assume you are operating at a more sophisticated level than the 'average' reader/viewer?

claig · 07/05/2012 11:27

Good points, PullUpAPew

PullUpAPew · 07/05/2012 11:23

Interestingly the Daily Mail described how Boris won by a 'blond whisker'. Maybe they're also politically biased against the Tories?

And ConservativeHome describes how Sarkozy was 'swept from power'. Maybe they have left wing bias too?

Fulhamup · 07/05/2012 11:21

Claig - thanks for your input. Actually I pick up my copy of The Economist instead for sensible, balanced, properly informed, pithy and intelligent analysis and I suggest you do the same.

claig · 07/05/2012 11:20

'Drives me mad - I shout at the Today programme all the time.'

For your own health, please turn it off and pick up the Daily Mail. That will calm you down.

MrsMicawber · 07/05/2012 11:18

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Fulhamup · 07/05/2012 11:17

You're right. It's insidious, chronic and very clever left wing bias. If you're a Conservative voter working for the BBC you're virtually treated like a leper. Drives me mad - I shout at the Today programme all the time.

claig · 07/05/2012 11:16

'Or they could just dump subjective language in the main news and headlines'

but that would mean letting the people make up their own minds.

longfingernails · 07/05/2012 11:15

Nonsense. Everybody expected Hollande to win comfortably.

And in any case, it's fine if the Times or Guardian impart spin to a story.

When the BBC does it, we have to pay for the political bias (inevitably to the left), without any choice to opt out.

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EdithWeston · 07/05/2012 11:12

I think it is bias.

I agree with pullupapew that how the margin is interpreted depends on expectations, but the characterisation of the margin itself as "tight" or "clear" does not serve that end. For Boris, it would have been just as accurate to say something along the lines of "a clear majority though smaller than expected at some points during the campaign"; or in France "a tight majority following LePen's lack of endorsement of Sarkozy".

Or they could just dump subjective language in the main news and headlines, and leave it to longer commentaries only.

OracleInaCoracle · 07/05/2012 11:12

oh LFN, you do make me laugh.

DonInKillerHeels · 07/05/2012 11:09

Totally agree with PullUpAPew. Everyone expected Boris to win by a country mile, so he performed less well than expected against Livingstone. But everyone was convinced that Sarkozy and Hollande were neck-a-neck, and therefore 51.7% made it clear that Hollande was the winner.

It's really not bias.

PullUpAPew · 07/05/2012 11:03

Often political reporting is the interpretation of actual result vs. expectations so for Boris, that was a tight margin. The morning of the count people were talking about six point leads, yet we had hours and hours of 'too close to call'. Boris' result is also a worsening of his position four years ago.

In France there was real speculation about where Le Pen's votes would go and all talk ahead of the poll was of Hollande's 'slim lead'. The Socialist result there is a major turn around on the last presidential election. So it was a clear victory in those terms.

Plus there is a news angle to talking up/linking the Greek & French left-wing stories.

IMO it isn't political bias, it's about news. Of course there is a news spin on it, otherwise it would be boring.

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