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Do you want the NHS Bill dropped?

33 replies

cakeismysaviour · 15/02/2012 04:09

Yes? Then sign this e-petition. epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670

No? Then don't sign it.

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ttosca · 02/03/2012 23:59

The Tories are evil, yes.

However, the NHS doesn't really need 'fixing'. In fact, studies have shown that it is one of the most efficiently run healthcare system in the world:

www.politics.co.uk/news/2011/08/08/surprise-report-nhs-most-efficient-healthcare

And patient satisfaction is extremely high (close to an all-time high):

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12805586

The NHS can be improved, certainly, but there is no need for a complete top-down re-organisation of the health system. It's actually doing (or did, until the Tories came in to power - now waiting times are up) remarkably well.

The Tories want to introduce competition because:

a) Their buddies will make money off it.

b) They are pro free-market, small state ideologues.

Andrew Lansley's Bill will wreck havoc on the NHS, and the public will not forgive them for this.

Solopower · 02/03/2012 21:49

I have wondered if it is a deliberate policy to run down the health service and make it impossible for the health professionals to do their job, just so that the private health care companies can come in and save the day - but nobody, not even this government, would be so evil, would they?

ttosca · 01/03/2012 22:32

Fact Check: Who supports the health bill?

?I?ve got a simple question for the Prime Minister ? can he now give the house a list of significant health organisations who are still wholehearted supporters of the Bill??

blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-who-supports-the-health-bill/9674

Solopower · 01/03/2012 21:55

Very sorry about your father, Abra1d.

It is terribly worrying how the NHS is being starved of funds and run down to that extent.

Abra1d · 01/03/2012 21:28

Nothing could be worse than what I have seen my elderly father experience from the NHS over the last three years. If I could bulldoze his local hospital and sack all the staff, I would. Useless, incompetent and callous, the lot of them.

Why would I want to preserve the NHS?

Solopower · 01/03/2012 21:22

No it really isn't democracy, especially as they didn't tell us before they were elected that they were going to do this.

However, it started under Labour. They didn't tell us either.

So why do all governments want rid of the NHS? I think it's because it's expensive, and asking people for higher taxes to pay for it is unpopular. So how do we show them that they are wrong? I think most of us would gladly pay for it, and I'd far prefer our taxes to go to the NHS rather than to bail out some private company that has botched an op and can't afford to pay the compensation. The private health care providers will become like the banks - they will be too important to a local area to be allowed to fail. Imagine if your only ear,nose and throat centre for miles around went bust ...

I've signed the petition.

nametakenagain · 01/03/2012 20:45

Yes, I do wanted it dropped. The things the govt say it will achieve are already happening without it. I am deeply suspicious of why, in the face of universal opposition by pretty much everyone outside of private healthcare, Cameron is determined it should go ahead. This is the beginning of the end of the NHS. And we're letting it happen.

The government ignored the petition even with more than 162 000 signatures. This is not democracy.

Bobloblaw · 01/03/2012 13:56

I've signed the petition and am attending a surgery with my MP (who is/was a GP) tomorrow.

rabbitstew · 21/02/2012 09:59

SoEmbarrassed - a bit unfair to ask why it has taken so long for "everyone" to do anything about the Bill... I would say why oh why did it take the medical profession so long to turn against it? Most people rely on workers in the NHS to have the clearest idea as to whether amendments are a good idea or not, so if the NHS appears to be rolling over and accepting it, then the general public will, too, because they will assume this must mean it is not quite such bad news for the NHS as it initially sounds, or is already inevitable. I have been against the whole idea from the beginning, but I seem to remember quite a few exceptionally vociferous GPs at the beginning of the process singing its praises and implying that any GP who was against it was only against it because they weren't any good at standing up for their patients and wanted an easy life. And I don't remember huge numbers of GPs coming out publicly with an opposing view to that one until the recent past, thus giving the impression there was no strong overall view, one way or the other, nor do I remember hearing strong or strident views from other NHS employees in the press, the result being that the Government thought it could steam roller the whole lot through before it had even passed anything into legislation. We can now enjoy a future where health care companies make a big profit out of the sitting duck of a UK taxpayer and take all their profits back to the US, totally unaccountable to the UK taxpayer. The result being: lots more people enjoying huge salaries and bonuses for making the whole UK population into a guinea pig for their experiments. Because the NHS is a hugely lucrative source of information to be mined by private institutions more interested in profit than patient care, when a choice has to be made between the two.

crazynanna · 20/02/2012 18:16
HoopDeDoo · 20/02/2012 12:53

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VelcroFanjo · 19/02/2012 23:29

Signed..thanks for the link Smile

SoEmbarassed · 19/02/2012 23:26

I signed it ages ago.

The wite paper was published in Summer 2010, it was almost one of the first things they did. Why oh why oh why has everyone taken until 2012 to do anything about. We are talking about th destruction of the NHS as we know it and there has been harldy anything in the paper about it over the last year. Now it all kicks off barely 3 months before it becomes law and it may be too late as most the changes to the structure have already been taking place become the bill becomes law. I loathe to say it but I think it's too little too late.

I harldy ever post on here so no one knows me. But someone more well known may want to post this on AIBU becasue of the traffic to make sure as many people sign it as possible. Even tough it's probably too late, it can't hurt.

malakadoush · 18/02/2012 18:08

signed.

NatashaBee · 18/02/2012 00:37

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cakeismysaviour · 18/02/2012 00:35

Thanks everyone. :)

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thenightsky · 17/02/2012 21:10

signed

MagicToyshop · 17/02/2012 21:07

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Nilgiri · 17/02/2012 17:19

Signed.

LineRunner · 17/02/2012 17:06

Julie Meyer came across as duplicitous and greedy. And out of her depth with a British audience. And yes, minimaths, the arm flapping was very telling.

I have signed.

minimathsmouse · 17/02/2012 11:05

Who is this American Numpty and why would we solicit her opinion anyway. I instantly disliked her and felt the arm flapping gave away the fact that she was quite dishonest.
I have signed the petition.

trixymalixy · 16/02/2012 23:56

Yes I have signed.

ButterNoParsnips · 16/02/2012 23:50

Yes and Yes! www.nhscampaign.org Reckon the government are running scared now.

Anyone see the idiot Julie Meyer on QT saying the NHS could be a trillion pound industry? She was rightly booed.

SalmeMurrikAgain · 16/02/2012 22:46

Yes, I do want it dropped. Yes, I have signed.

Regards,

S.

chosenone · 15/02/2012 22:42

Done it....thanks did the Hillsborough one whilst I was there too.