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Does anyone elsee agree with the benefit cuts?

211 replies

mrsruffallo · 27/01/2012 13:07

Because I do. They make sense to me. Reward the workers, esp. those in low paid employment, and make it harder to be better off unemployed than working. If ConDem also taxed the rich in an appropriate mnner, I would be very happy.

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ValarMorghulis · 27/01/2012 18:26

Pinko - agree. DS currently gets MRC and LRM.

By all of our specialists assessments and my own understanding of the system he should be receiving HRC. But i simply cannot bring myself to complete those forms again. I don't want to risk losing his DLA altogether given all of this reshuffling and the whole process is so soul destroying i just can't do it.

I doubt I am alone.

ValarMorghulis · 27/01/2012 18:23

So a fraud rate of 0.5%, an "error" rate of 9% yet a cut target of 20%? So even by their own figures (which are bound to rather generously counted in their favour) they are looking to disqualify at least 10.5% of genuine claimants.

Now if you also look at the estimated numbers of people who could qualify for DLA but choose not to apply...

I have some figures here from Macmillon. They relate ONLY to cancer patients so are only a small number of the true figures, yet still make remarkable amounts.

in England 55 per cent of people dying from cancer (69,000 patients) are not claiming DLA or AA ? worth £106 million;
in Scotland 64 per cent of people dying from cancer (almost 10,000 people) are not claiming DLA or AA ? worth £15 million;
in Wales 32 per cent of people dying from cancer (almost 3,000 people) are not claiming DLA or AA - worth £4 million;
in Northern Ireland 23 per cent of people dying from cancer (nearly 900 people) are not claiming DLA or AA ? worth £1.3 million.

So they aren't paying what they should be paying yet still want to reduce what they are paying to genuine claimants?

and people think that is ok

PinkoLiberal · 27/01/2012 18:21

Whoa re these people who are not assessed? DS3 is given until he is 16 but severe autism does not heal; ds1 is checked every 3 years.

reports have also included that people are missing OUT for same reason anyway, people not getting reassessed when needs go up; I would estimate 30% of the people on DLA I know get less than the rate they should receive.

TheHumancatapult · 27/01/2012 18:16

youngmother

yet they are calling people back for regualr reassments I got 12 months and have to apply again it wont ever be cured I have spinal cord injury so permant .

but even 9% is still less than the 20% that they want it cut by !!! and if were doing that what about the fact it is underclaimed by many

youngermother1 · 27/01/2012 18:12

Just to clarify a couple of points:

DLA fraud may be 0.5%, but the same govt report said that 9% was overpaid as the recipients were not checked on soon enough to identify they no longer qualified. This does not count as fraud as there is no obligation on the recipient to get checked or admit when better. I think this figure should also be quoted when saying it should not be cut.

Rolls-royce sells most of its cars abroad, so actually brings a lot of money into the country. It also supports a lot of UK suppliers and employees - so, I think, all good.

BarfAndHeave · 27/01/2012 18:12

Bakingaddict: yet again I find myself wishing makaton had a sign for arse talking.

PinkoLiberal · 27/01/2012 18:05

Glitter- why only DLA for one of them? Do you mean the tax credits?

Glitterknickaz · 27/01/2012 17:58

What BIWI said.
Except I do know about it all, because I live it every day.
Except I do know that despite having three disabled children I will soon only be able to claim disability living allowance for one of them.

The other two are not going to lose their disabilities, sadly.

TheHumancatapult · 27/01/2012 17:44

ninky im expecting to lose mine unde rPIP dla only gave me 1 year despite my condtion never going to be cured as i use a wheelchair

RebeccaMumsnet · 27/01/2012 17:44

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ValarMorghulis · 27/01/2012 17:27

I saw someone earlier in the week who had posted that they didn't know why "we" were so worried about the disabled as DLA wasn't going to be included in the cap.

No its not. But PIP is. and since they want to replace DLA with PIP eventually they WILL be included in the CAP. But also considering that a great many disabled people are unable to work and also have children, obviously the cuts affect them.

yellowraincoat · 27/01/2012 17:23

But they won't get it, that's the problem.

Believe me I know how annoying they are.

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:22

No more draining than hearing the same shit from people who think the disabled cheerfully sit in benefits and claim DLA to "avoid" working. It pisses me off and I will keep posting until the ignorant fuckwits start to "get it".

BIWI · 27/01/2012 17:21

I think I will also repeat myself.

You know, I don't post much on these threads because:

  • I have no direct, personal experience of claiming benefits (thankfully)

and

  • I don't really know very much about who is entitled to what and under what circumstances

Therefore for me to post about them is betraying ignorance and any prejudice I might have about benefits and benefit claimants.

I can't help but feel that a few more posters would benefit from stepping back a bit and admitting that they share my ignorance, and thus stop posting stuff that is patently wrong, highly prejudiced and/or gleaned from the scaremongering and sensationalist press.

That, or listen to people who do know more, because they have direct experience of the current system.

Just a thought.

yellowraincoat · 27/01/2012 17:20

The constant posting of the same thing over and over is getting a bit draining, no?

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:19

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:19

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:18

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:18

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:18

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:18

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:18

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Dillydaydreaming · 27/01/2012 17:17

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT.

PinkoLiberal · 27/01/2012 17:12

Oh David Cameron claimed DLA for Ivan

Which shows it's not an out of work benefit

Indeed, my boys are CHILDREN who as far as I am aware are not eligible for being out of work.

Being as they can;t work as they are 12 and 8.

I would tell the story I have about what happens when people with MH disorders are left without access to a FT carer but it's gruesome- oh OK but you've been warned: Nan's neighbour, sedated for his MH issues but carers also worked so went back to employment after meds given; meds didn't work well but he was alone, so he took an axe and went to see my Nan and Grandad- luckily they were out as he then went to see a different neighbour and murdered her. But yeah, people with Mh issues don't need DLA at MR or HR levels (the ones at which a carer can get CA, until after cuts when it goes to HR only)

PinkoLiberal · 27/01/2012 17:07

Ninky you'd be amazed how many ex service men I have had to help with appeals lately, including some with PTSD who were just 17 when they joined up, and who also have significant other injuries - one has shrapnel in his spine for example.

Amazing how readily they will let people down.

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