Think this government really have gone mad now?

Gave up on the CSA years ago - DS just goes without, tis simple really.

We are rapidly moving into an era of the "deserving" and the "undeserving" when it comes to allocating public funds, along with the ushering in of a new corporate fuedalism.

Deserving

1/ Large "flash" projects that will have historical signifcance and make the UK look good abroad.
2/ City types and others who meet the "criteria" of a wasp stereotypical "middle england".
3/The back pockets of the "chosen ones".

Undeserving
1/ The sick/old/disabled - these are useless eaters and should be culled.

They should also be moved away from "naice" areas so the well-off don't have to witness their suffering - the beggars on the streets of the 3rd world just look so messy don't ya know. Far better to herd them into ghettos aka the Victorian slums as it was so much tidier.

2/The proletariat - these people have forgotten to tug ther forelock and have demanded fair working conditions/wages etc over the last century.
Fear of poverty/dismal state education/unemployment should drag em back into line pronto lest they end up like the greeks - now abandoning children they can't afford to feed and unable to obtain vital medication. Those who belive themselves "middle class" are in particular need of learning their place in the new regime pronto - prols the lot of ya!

3/Anyone who doesn't meet the "approved" family structure e.g cast off wives and war widows and single parents generally. If children from these families to well it threatens the mysogynistic old etonians ego ya know! Their own wives might get the idea they can go it alone and not tolerate the mistress/ regular visits to sex slaves if single parent hood was made to look tolerable.
Cecil Parkinson was the foreunner of this partcular mindset in his treatment of his cast off disabled child & was a darling of the tory party so noone should be suprised by this attitutude becoming official policy now

If in the process extra cash can be extracted from the undeserving to the "deserving" so much the better!

Punishing*

They do need to change the way they make the calculations of what the NRP is expected to pay though, it needs to be based on what it actually costs to raise a child, not what the NRP can spare.

Completely disagree with that it's wrong on so many levels.

Using that formula you're actually pushing a NRP .

If the NRP has got very little then the RP gets very little, you don't throw the NRP in the poorhouse in spite.

Foglike, the government already pays in benefits anyway. If they tried to recoup that from the NRPs they would put more effort into getting that money back, and the RP wouldn't go without as they do when NRPs don't pay maintenance, which happens a lot. This way, the maintenance could be deducted from from benefits, but the RPs would get the same amount of money, it's just that the government would get some of it back.

They do need to change the way they make the calculations of what the NRP is expected to pay though, it needs to be based on what it actually costs to raise a child, not what the NRP can spare.

NRPs would be put off not finding a job so they don't have to pay maintenance, because they will be liable for it for the rest of their lives, and it will continue to be taken out of their benefits, pensions, or any earnings they make after the child is ole enough not to receive maintenance.

If the RP is getting nothing from the NRP then the govt will charge how much?
Hopefully the financial incentive will push the CSA to prosecute payment where none was present before?

This is getting ridiculous.

Are they still talking about the Tory peers rebelling on this?

I saw the word "indefensible" being used by one of them to describe the practise of taking money from children to punish their mother for the fact that their father (and that's what it usually is) an irresponsible reprobate who doesn't support his own children.

I know what the CSA is...what makes you think I don't

Why should the government pay for someone else's children?
Just find a better way to get the NRP to pay through stricter enforcement laws etc..
How would the govt paying solve anything?
The cynic in me says that tax payers would resent paying for other peoples children again.
Jail.
Community service.
Shame them

But don't make other people pay for someone else's mistake.

I feel like a revolting peasant today. David Cameron. Tosser/Etonian (interchangeable in this case I feel) elitist piece of crap. Throw in the wet milksop that is Nick Clegg and you've got the biggest items requiring recycling this century.

They are out for the poor, the single, the sick, the same demographic Maggie targetted during her reign of terror. There will, however, be people out there who'll think it's o.k. to do this. People who aren't in the position of needing this service and think they never will be.

Words. fail. me.

I've never used the CSA either. But from what I understand they are/were next to useless. So I can't imagine it would be a huge source of revenue to them!

The problem is keepingup , it's not that they want the less well off "to seriously suffer" but they think that we probably won't mind, given that we don't have much to start off with and we're used to being poor and having nothing.

They wouldn't want to take away from the 'haves' because, well, they 'have' stuff and they'd really suffer.

But the 'have nots'? Well they don't 'have' stuff already so what's the problem if they have even less?

Might be time to resurrect Wat Tyler!

The CSA thing is ridiculous. They should work out what a resident parent actually needs from the NRP'S, then pay it to them in benefits so they always get what they need. Then the government should go after the NRPs for reimbursement so they get paid back. They manage it with tax, why can't they manage it for children.

This is what happens when you let overprivaliged, cosseted etonians play countries! They know they have to save money from somewhere so they take it from the place that they identify with the least - um, that will be the majority of us poor plebs then