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The "Down with this sort of thing" picket. There is a burger van and you can wear your donkey jacket and fingerless gloves

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KatieMiddleton · 24/01/2012 10:50

Fed up of the cuts? Fed up of the mislead bigotry? This is your sanctuary. Unwind. Vent. Pop over to the frothers thread if you feel like getting organised and doing some proactive stuff or just chill out with a cup of builders tea in a polystyrene cup.

Welcome.

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OpinionatedMum · 24/01/2012 12:08

SPIKE I have:

posted links that explain why the people moving out of london will have nowhere to go but temp accom

posted links as to how this will cause rent shortfall for people UP AND DOWN THE COUNTY that means they will not be able to eat and heat.

posted links from inside housing that explain why private rents won't fall because of this

expained exactly how this is not going to save the taxpayer any money and may cost more in the long run.

If you don't want to read them and try to understand then don't. I am not interested in a bunfight.

KatieMiddleton · 24/01/2012 12:08

Ooh are you near me lubey? I'm in Richmond where a 2 bed property with half a kitchen (like the house I rent from the bank own) is £1300pcm.

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ShirleyForAllSeasons · 24/01/2012 12:08

Grin Pag!

Pagwatch · 24/01/2012 12:08

Honestly, he will go and watch anything. He is just the best company at the cinema. He has to watch all the credits which is a bit dull but he is lovely

KnottyLocks · 24/01/2012 12:08

Anyone fancy a crumpet?

I have toasting forks and luverly butter.

SpikeInTheBasement · 24/01/2012 12:06

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Hullygully · 24/01/2012 12:06

Spike!

Take it outside!

SpikeInTheBasement · 24/01/2012 12:05

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Poledra · 24/01/2012 12:05

Ooh, Pag, if it's a general invite, can I and the DDs come? We like popcorn. We've seen Puss in Boots already, and they're not old enough for Warhorse, but any other kids film is fine.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 24/01/2012 12:04
lubeybooby · 24/01/2012 12:04

A breakdown example of a family receiving weekly benefits at the capped level from the huffpost

"£392.31 for rent (the allowable rent for Tolworth, typical of a cheaper property)
£39.06 for council tax (Kingston Council, Band E)
£28.18 for gas and electricity (DECC English average + 20% for large family, in 2011 £s
£7.21 for water (OfWAT UK average + 20% for large family)
£6.00 for telephone/broadband - the cheapest BT anytime package

Starting from £500 means that you have £26.23 per week left over for the family, which is 62p per person per day to the nearest penny.

We can argue over these exact figures. Clearly the family could choose to be cold, or to shower infrequently to save money. But against that, private rented housing is typically less well insulated, the family are at home every day, so energy bills may be larger still. I have not included a mobile phone, or any calls to mobile phones, or to 08 numbers not included in the basic package.

In any case, even after rent and council tax, the family has only £1.64 per person per day to live on. No alternative figures will make any difference: this is simply not a living income for a family with four children in private rented accommodation in a cheap part of outer London"

The vast majority of claimants are not 'lifestyle' claimants, and frankly who the hell would want that as a lifestyle?

This example family could easily be a family affected by the constant redundancies that are ongoing, ergo they had their children back when they could afford to.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 24/01/2012 12:04
Hullygully · 24/01/2012 12:03

Spike, seriously, it isn't like that. They don't get an envelope with 26K per year.

I'm not arguing in here. This is the respite brazier. I'm exhausted.

lubeybooby · 24/01/2012 12:02

Spike 26 is poverty when you are left with 62p a day after essential bills and rent - that doesn't include food.

So 62p a day for food, emergencies, clothes, travel, etc.

You try it and not starve or have to use a food bank.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 24/01/2012 12:02
Hullygully · 24/01/2012 12:02

Oh Pag that is marvellous. Bless. Now I want to go to the cinema and have popcorn and wine sprite

SpikeInTheBasement · 24/01/2012 12:01

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lubeybooby · 24/01/2012 12:01

Think again, Spike, because some will. Such is the horrific state of the cost of living.

lubeybooby · 24/01/2012 12:00

Spike, sod bloody kensington. The proportion of anyone on full benefits living there is totally, ridiculously insignificant.

What about the ones in cheaper areas of London who, despite the 'thousands' will actually be living on 62p per day between them after rent and essential bills are paid?

SpikeInTheBasement · 24/01/2012 12:00

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KatieMiddleton · 24/01/2012 12:00

I used to work in Kensington. I never met anybody who lived on benefits there. They all lived in the ghetto of White City or in shoddy private rental/B&B type places in Earls Court. Not nice places but still extortionate. They could move but often their childcare is family and they don't have enough spare cash to afford a move.

I worked in the bank so I knew the actual state of people's finances.

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Pagwatch · 24/01/2012 11:59

Ok (needs no prompting)

I taught Pagboy how to use the email and have let him send occasional emails under my supervision. He is very excited that he is due to go out with a friend of mine soon and really wanted to email her about the day out. I kept 'in a minute'-ing him.

I suddenly got floods of emails. All saying stuff like 'er. Ok. If you like I would be happy to but you know I live quite far away'

He had sent 'hello, I want to go to cinema and gave popcorn and sprite. We will see the muppets. I love you. Pagboy' to about 50 people in my address book

Hullygully · 24/01/2012 11:58

The only hate I see is for the poor and/or inadequate who might not be able to hack it in our society for whatever reason.

BelleDameSansMerci · 24/01/2012 11:57

Spike but why do you think it's a good thing when it could hurt so many people?

Hully, I loved your thread (and I may have taken the BANG! approach on another thread too). I was stunned by the stupidity of some people posting though (not you Spike).

SpikeInTheBasement · 24/01/2012 11:57

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