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WTF are Frothers? Not a quiche, but a protest group. Fighting for the "basic line of British decency" against fiscal brutality.

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garlicfrother · 22/01/2012 01:28

What are Frothers?

The term "Frothers" came about one dank and dismal November day in 2011. A frustrated user of the parenting forum Mumsnet started a thread about her dismay at the cuts that the Conservative/Liberal Democrat government was inflicting on the British public.

She stated that she was not "quite a frothing berserker but I am getting rather cross with our government messing with the good stuff".

The good stuff - policies, benefits, institutions that had taken years to achieve were being cut for no good reason, often leaving gaping holes in the fabric of British society.

The NHS, with which we Brits have a love-hate relationship, but like a favourite sibling, we wish to protect from harm.

Sure Start, a successful scheme that supported parents who were struggling and offered children from deprived backgrounds a better start in life.

Universal Child Benefit was cut for those families who had one earner bringing in more than £44k a year. If both parents each earn less than £44k, they keep their UCB payments. This obviously hit single parents and families with a single earner hardest.

Disability Living Allowance and Employment and Support Allowance - which enabled those with disabilities to live a decent life, without feeling that they were begging for assistance or were a burden to the taxpayer.

Student Fees, the introduction of which, contrary to Lib Dem pre-election promises, means that a whole generation of young people will have to think carefully before applying to higher education.

These and many other cuts are being made in the name of austerity. We are "all in this together", but some of us are deeper in this than others.

We all understand that there are sacrifices to be made but why should these sacrifices be borne by those who already have so little?

The general public seems oblivious of the dangers being faced, they are unaware of the injustices being wrought on the already disadvantaged.

The government is winning the war of the headlines. They have blasted the recipients of DLA and ESA as scrounger and cheats so often that the general public believe it. They misinterpret data to "prove" their points. Teachers are painted as being irresponsible and greedy, while the bankers rake in the money.

The poster on Mumsnet was not alone for long. Within a few days, a group of over 30 posters had formed. They asked themselves, "What can we do?".

The idea of a blog was born. Three days later the blog had over thirty authors signed up, a Facebook page and a Twitter account.

The Aims:

  • to open the general publics' eyes to the injustices being created by the governement
  • to inform those who are facing cuts about their rights
  • to link with other activists and charities, in order to put pressure on the government

Are you a Frother?

Come and join us.

BLOG

FACEBOOK

TWITTER

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garlicfrother · 15/02/2012 13:50

That's what most people don't realise about commercial insurance, Hunty. Cover is time-limited and, once you've suffered a condition, it is excluded from future cover. Chronic conditions are specifically excluded by BUPA. What's more, the exclusions extend to any related conditions.

Health insurance is brilliant if you only need it for a one-off! But, as we know, ongoing health problems are the ones that fuck up your life. They're the ones the government doesn't want to have to pay for, any more than BUPA does ...

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CardyMow · 15/02/2012 12:23

It already happens that people with chronic health conditions can't get private insurance. I have uncontrolled epilepsy, and technically, I can't leave the country even for a holiday, because the cost of travel insurance is SO high, I would have to be a millionaire to afford it. Can't get Life Insurance because I am at a much higher risk of dying of SUDEP (Sudden Death in Epilepsy). Can't get Health insurance, because the ONE thing I would need it for classes as a 'pre-existing' health condition - which means that it wouldn't be covered.

I RELY on the NHS. And it has already BROKEN for people with epilepsy in my PCT area, it is just a matter of time before it happens over the entire country. Without the NHS, I would have an increased risk of dying, and of having no medication for my epilepsy, which would mean that I would be having MANY many more seizures!

garlicfrother · 15/02/2012 12:20

Thanks, OM :) Have replied.

Telegraph article

I've added your comment, too, Katie.

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KatieMiddleton · 15/02/2012 02:30

Just found this about Workfare: www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/pm/articles/2012/02/unions-slam-retail-free-work-schemes.htm Hurrah for the unions!

Garlic, perhaps ask them to explain their comment in more detail before responding? There's definitely an argument that once the health service starts to be dismantled it can never be rebuilt. There is also an argument that where GPs are responsible for commissioning decisions stop being made on clinical need and start being made on more political lines (not that they aren't already but more so). A better argument is that once the goal posts of the system start being moved there is the potential for them to keep moving and the ultimate position is one similar to that seen in the USA where sick people cannot get health insurance and so cannot get healthcare.

garlicfrother · 15/02/2012 01:47

Oh dear, got a negative comment: "I don't support the Coalition but to claim that after the current reforms the British healthcare system will come close to resembling the American one displays almost complete ignorance at best and is outright lying at worst"

My post says:
For clues as to where the Health Bill will lead us in its present form, watch this Panorama report on America's underclass. Most ended up on the streets due to healthcare costs.

Please can someone offer a better perspective?
Thanks!

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garlicfrother · 15/02/2012 01:44

Sorry, yummy Blush

100,000 sigs already for the NHS is great!

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Meglet · 14/02/2012 23:06

bookmarking.....

CardyMow · 14/02/2012 22:39

He was 1yo on the 24th Jan - so 54 weeks-ish?

ThePinkPussycat · 14/02/2012 22:32

How old is DS3?

CardyMow · 14/02/2012 22:21

Sorry I'm not that active right now, but my new epilepsy meds are leaving me llike a space cadet. My spelling is shite, I cant concentrate on anything, and I feel like poo. I am keeping up with the threads and reading, and leaving comments where I can, but I'm not my 'usual' self right now, and it might take about 6 weeks before my misfiring synapses get used to the new meds!

It took me 2 1/2 hours today to do my shopping that normally takes 30 mins - and that was WITH Ex-P's help. God only knows how long it would have taken on my own. Or WTF I would have come home with!

Added to that I have had to stop BF'ing due to the new meds - so I am struggling with engorgement, AND I have had to stop co-sleeping, so DS3 is, erm, not sleeping well right now while he gets used to his cot and bottles!

All a little stressful chez Hunty right now! Grin

yummymummyreally · 14/02/2012 21:36

Brilliant news re petition!

yummymummyreally · 14/02/2012 21:34

Tallwivglasses.

The new sitemap page gives an overview of the subjects covered on the Toomanycuts blog, but a regular update/round up is a good idea. i.e. Where are we at. what can we still do. etc.

yummymummyreally · 14/02/2012 21:26

garlic It's me that has been playing around with the tags. TeWihara kindly gave me access. Is it working ok? Posted above about it.... Prob should have direct messaged but always on mobile where I cant get that option!

I still want to add pics to the site map page. Half term chaos at mo, but might have time fri.

OpinionatedMum · 14/02/2012 20:46

100,000 signatures on the NHS petition!!!

garlicfrother · 14/02/2012 15:19

"Save Our Free Health Service"

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garlicfrother · 14/02/2012 15:18

Done. We could do with a few sensible posts about this. I think it's true that people can't comprehend how much will change.

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KatieMiddleton · 14/02/2012 14:55

Ah I see. If we could put the petition OM linked to up that would be good.

I have to dash now... work to do Sad

garlicfrother · 14/02/2012 14:20

Thank you VERY much for what you've done with the tags, Te!

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garlicfrother · 14/02/2012 14:16

No, it's the Petition The Queen website. I left it up on the assumption they'd get over the problem ... but it's been several days now, so I'll remove it.

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OpinionatedMum · 14/02/2012 14:10

Have it been hacked?

KatieMiddleton · 14/02/2012 13:41

I lost you there for a bit. Anyone know what's up with the blog website? It's got a weird message on it.

CardyMow · 14/02/2012 11:39

Anyone want to try to cheer me up a bit? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1406259-Sympathy-needed-Or-a-laugh

OpinionatedMum · 14/02/2012 10:59

dropthebill NHS petition

minimathsmouse · 14/02/2012 01:34

Yes we are headed in that direction too. We have been for quite some time.
High unemployment and an unregulated black economy of migrant slave labour. See any parallels? America has been exploiting migrant labour on slave wages for many years especially in agriculture. Food stamps are issued because the companies don?t even pay a subsistence wage. Here we have a similar situation developing with the introduction of tax credits and open boarders.
Before you jump on me thinking I?m a ?right? looney, I am simply saying big companies have exploited low waged labour to create greater profit and then relied on the government to provide the people with the very means to consume the efforts of their own labour. Now governments are running huge deficits they can?t subsidise this lie. So unemployment is spiralling, the double whammy for us Brits is the fact that we have a right wing party hell bent on the destruction of the welfare state, making thousands of state workers unemployed , dismantling the NHS and every other marker of a decent humane society. The effects so far have been to push us towards another ressession and still they look to America as some great example, so much so that Dave and Co want to create am American style health and welfare state here.
F*ing mess! America should be shown up to be what it is, the opposite of a modern human society.