Too Many Cuts...come join the #Frothers and have your say

I suspect underneath Kate, she is feeling dreadfully guilty and unworthy at having so much wealth coming in to her household.

fucks off abroad to live off her dh as well.

Using this as the safe space can I just say FUCKING HELL!!!

Some twat on the AIBU tory thread has just told me she doesn't see why she and her dh should stick around paying tax because they have private healthcare and educate their children privately and that we should be grateful they do stick around because if they fecked off abroad all the poor would be in much worse shape.

I am furious!

Don't bother with my questions until you have time, no hurry.

The recepient of DLA is me, has taken a lot of applications to get it in the end, lost heart so often with it all, didn't appeal so many times etc. The dc have issues also, denied dla, I didn't have it in me to fight it, they wouldn't be higher rate anyways.

bother my link

Perhaps www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/warsaw_ghetto/images/german_soldier/07.jpg this is Thatcher's "wall"?

She was actually quoting Darwin, who wrote in his revolutionary Survival Of The fittest: It is a law and fact in nature that there shall be the weak and the strong. The strong shall triumph and the weak shall go to the wall. The law, though involving destruction is really preservative. If all plants and animals were free to reproduce their kind under like and equally favorable conditions, if all were equally strong and well equipped for obtaining sustenance and making their way in the world, there would soon be no room on the earth for even a single species.

That passage has been used to justify a plethora of atrocities in human societies. It is a quasi-scientific justification for euthanasia, expulsion and dehumanisation.

What Darwin meant was that more resilient species triumph, in evolutionary terms, over 'weaker' ones. Homo sapiens is resilient due to our extreme adaptability (cockroaches, by contrast, are just rock-hard and, in Darwinian terms, are a more 'successful' species than our own.) What we do is adapt our environment to our own needs and create strongly-bonded communities. To apply Darwin's rule as if it were relevant within a species is somewhat batty. Human strength has always lain in out inter-dependence, not in mutual exclusion.

Here's a little slideshow of pictures from the Warsaw ghetto.

Luminescence - STOP distracting me. I will have to have a chunter at that in a bit...

TheMouse - I'll explain it in a better way for you in a bit, but I'm trying to do some really bastardy calculations at the moment!

The position is that if your dc are over 12yo and have no additional care needs (as proven by them getting HRC on DLA, if not, it doesn't count...) then you have to work 35 hrs a week.

I kid you not.

AH! The private Nurseries in my area do not let you use the vouchers for a full day - you HAVE to use them for a 3hr session, once a day - so if you were doing your 20 hours over 3 days, you would only get 3 hours a day free with the vouchers. I have used £50 instead of £52 to make the calculations easier, so that would be £15 off per day.

HuntyCat, I am going to duck after asking this!

Can you also do some calculations for lone parents who have children at secondary school, so those who will not be able to get paid childcare (not on to lave kids of age 11 at home from 3.30 to 6.30, there is nothing else for people stuck in this position ), what is the position of a non working so on ESA or JSA, working part time, full time lone parent of 11-18 year olds?

have you seen this, I'm foaming at the mouth

Hunty, Monthly sounds good, as long as it is made clearly the calculations are Monthly. It is very good of you to do all of this.

Can I clear this up.

Every household is given up to £500 per week or £2,000 per month maximum Universal credit.

The universal credit can be used to pay for things like CTC, CB, DLA and WTC amongst others such as HB, JSA, ESA. As long as you don't go over the upper limit, you can keep your part time earnings, which must be a minimum of 20 hours a week earning, it doesn't matter how much you earn in those 20 hours?

PIP will relace DLA, and if you are currently on lower or middle rate DLA you will no longer get anything for that, you only get help for high rate DLA? Is the DLA included or excluded from the UC?

Is CSA excluded from UC?

Please clarify what is right/wrong with the above, I don't really fully understand the previous posts so need clarification.

Many thanks.

Oh fark - there's the Nursery vouchers now for 3&4yo's, aren't there - I'll have to find out how much they are worth, won't I, and deduct that from the nursery fees, and find out how the childcare element of WTC interacts with that. BLOW!

Right - I may pop in and out, but I'm going to be up to my neck in numbers for a while. I will use the costs of After-school club, breakfast club and Nursery in my area, and rent too. Actually, if I can face it - I might do a comparison between London, SE, and somewhere like Newcastle - Newcastle's a cheap-ish town to live in, isn't it?

Should I do the figures MONTHLY as UC is paid monthly?

So a single person with no dependants won't get away with working PT, they will have to work 35 hrs MIN or face the whole - get higher wages in your current job/get more HOURS in your current job/get a second job/get a higher paying job. Or we'll stop your UC.

Yep. The main difference between then and now is the wider range, and speed, of communication. Even if "They" were to restrict access, there'd be ways around it because we are now used to sharing ideas - as on Mumsnet, for example.

It's why I care so much about getting the word out. National media are no longer the only source of info, thank goodness, so it's become harder to silence the talk. Personally, I feel it's urgent to reach as many people as possible, fast.

I prolly ought to add that I'm not drawing a direct parallel between Shiny Dave and A. Hitler. Just pointing out the techniques that dictators have always used to gain support, then coerce it

Place marking as far too tired to read this now and I really don't want to raise my blood pressure tonight.

EasilyFrothedTiggaxx

Santa - no, single people with no dependants will have a HIGHER conditionality level - their level is £212 a week that they have to earn...or the equivalent of 35 hrs @ NMW.

There ISN'T a set amount of hours - conditionality is based on EARNINGS. Minimum for a Lone parent is £121.60 - 20hrs @ NMW. I'll post what I can, and try to make it understandable - but it's going to take me a while!!