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Cap child tax credit after four children, says MP

638 replies

SardineQueen · 18/11/2011 15:39

here

One of nadine's friends!

I'm not surprised to see this from a conservative MP, as ever I think this sort of thing is a terrible idea - children don't choose to be born and by restricting benefits in this way you are punishing the children for something you disapprove of the parents doing. And as I understand it the number of people with no work ever and loads of children is actually very low? So this sort of policy doesn't actually save much money at all. Can't remember where I saw that though.

I am sure there will be some who disagree. I thought that people who post here might be interested anyway.

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EnjoyResponsibly · 22/11/2011 09:51

This is yet another policy proposal straight from the West Wing. I am beginning to think that modern governments of both parties all got a box set.

So, as CJ suggested, really how many families does this factor and what would be the cost saving.

For my own part, I think there is something to be said for responsible parenting. The policy isn't saying you can't have >5 kids, simply that you won't get support for them.

HarryHillatemygoldfish · 22/11/2011 09:50

Fanny, do you work? Do you pay tax?

Alouisee · 22/11/2011 09:48

*was/were Blush

Alouisee · 22/11/2011 09:48

I think you only need to look at the long term studies that were compiled about Merthyr Tydfill to see that 4 generations of long term unemployment was prevalent.

I'm no statistician but a quick google makes it very clear.

HarryHillatemygoldfish · 22/11/2011 09:47

Silly fanny.

I'm Dave.

ledkr · 22/11/2011 09:47

So fanny do you realy think its ok to just have loads of children regardless as to whether you can provide for them?And that the state should just keep doling out housing and money for them? How odd.

fannybanjo · 22/11/2011 09:47

Ah I know who you are now. Michael Winner.

HarryHillatemygoldfish · 22/11/2011 09:43

Strawman, fanny, hysterical nonsense. Have a lie down, dear.

HarryHillatemygoldfish · 22/11/2011 09:42

It's the Daily Mail so better not read it Fanny, bad for your BP Grin

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-541598/Meet-families-ones-worked-THREE-generations--dont-care.html

fannybanjo · 22/11/2011 09:42

Yes, you're all right. Is that what you want to hear? Good for you trying to sort out the Country's benefit problem. In fact, I'm going to email Downing Street a link to this thread so Davey Boy can see what the answer is.

Right, now thats sorted, what can you fix next...?

I know! Let's have a 1 child per family rule like China!!! Hmm

Alouisee · 22/11/2011 09:40

If your definition of a fascist is someone who doesn't think parents should produce numerous children without requiring state assistance then yes, hands up, I'm a fascist.

woollyideas · 22/11/2011 09:39

Most of those children, statistically, will never be taxpaying adults. They will follow their parents example.

Where are the 'statistics' to support this statement?

ledkr · 22/11/2011 09:37

Of course its inhumane to dictate how many children a person can have,but that doesnt mean people should have children they cant afford to and then expect the state to pay for them.
Many working parents have lots of children and budget and plan accordingly for them,the only extra money they will get is child benefit.

HarryHillatemygoldfish · 22/11/2011 09:35

Bollocks am I. I am saying that if you choose to have more than four children when you already know you will have no more funding, then you are making a choice.
If that makes me a fascist, so be it.

fannybanjo · 22/11/2011 09:35

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fannybanjo · 22/11/2011 09:33

Stating

fannybanjo · 22/11/2011 09:32

Report it then. You are basically staring that these people are worthless. You tell me what that makes you...?

HarryHillatemygoldfish · 22/11/2011 09:28

Most of those children, statistically, will never be taxpaying adults. They will follow their parents example.

And isn't calling someone a fascist against MN rules? Hmm

fannybanjo · 22/11/2011 09:24

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HarryHillatemygoldfish · 22/11/2011 09:05

But that is just inhuman! People should be allowed to have as many children as they want even especially if everyone else is funding them! Shock

Are you saying only the rich should have children? Shock

Alouisee · 22/11/2011 09:01

Totally agree Ledkr.

ledkr · 22/11/2011 08:54

Or how about not getting an increase at all when a new child arrives.Dh and i both work and we didnt get automatic pay rises when we had our latest baby,in fact we are living on less as ive taken the full year off and will be returning part time. You just make it stretch further.

Alouisee · 22/11/2011 08:48

How about only getting family benefits for the first family - might stop the subsequent issues around maintenance.

TheHumancatapult · 22/11/2011 08:23

Yes they do but if step family's combine it is then classed as a new claim . So will they then apply the new rules as the ctc are paid to just one person in the family

Bit like Hb if you move or swap houses now you loose the right to a secure ling term tenancy does not matter if you had s secure tennacy before hand

Oh in my case I'm not wanting or planning any more tyvm

HarryHillatemygoldfish · 22/11/2011 08:16

humancatapult I don't understand. Those children already exist so money is already there.

If you have four between you and want more, that is absolutely your choice. But you won;t get any more money, yunno, just like those of us who work don't get any more money for any more children.

Is this really proving so difficult to understand?
The govt introduces a cap that takes effect one year hence for all new claims. A bit like the warning they gave all The Rich(ha!) about losing CB.