Greeks. Cats. Pigeons.

One thing remains constant; the elite always underestimate the intelligence of the public

This is interesting and is about ants.
In case anyone missed the propaganda, here is just a small part of it.

It includes a posh chef and an ambassador telling us about how "environmentally friendly" it is and how it is impossible to feed the population without looking at ants etc..

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9626549.stm

This is interesting (but isn't about ants)

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5CZr17HLH5U#!

boeuf

But the elite won't eat ants, they'll carry on eating beouf bourguignon washed down by a Chateau Neuf du Pape, having put a binge drinking tax on alcohol for the plebs, which will have been applauded by the progressives.

There'll be all sorts of greens popping up on our TV screens soon, extolling the virtues of eating ants and decrying meat. They'll tell us about the fantastic levels of proteins in ants and some progressives will rush to health food shops and pay top dollar for ant pate.

no, it's not hundreds of thousands of people. The elite rely on the stupidity of the people to believe in catastrophic climate change. They only push teh ides out there; they let progressives do the rest for them.

I agree that the BBC isa part of the Establishment. (The way that they suck up to the Royals and the C of E really grates on me and those institutions are IMO irrelevent to the vast majority).
But what you are saying is that there is an orchestrated and calculated campaign to influence events that involves, seemingly, hundreds or thousands of people in many different organisations. I find that very unlikely.

The BBC is an Establishment institution. It wears a progressive cloak and a progressive mask to disguise its Establishment credentials.

So the elite has infiltrated the BBC - Is Paxman one of them or does he just do what he is told?

BTW - I do agree that some opportunists will try to use what is happening to further European integration in a time of turmoil. But this is not part of a grand plan, it is just an opportunity.

No, I can't name them. I don't know who they are. But you can understand their motives if you listen to the news and watch Newsnight. Their messages are always being broadcast for your education.

'Like most, I tend to go for cock up theories rather than conspiricy theories'

you've swallowed what they always broadcast. Why do you think parties hire spin doctors if it is not to try and influence and steer teh public and to influence teh course of events rather than wait for "cock ups" to occur. They're not stupid. They plan for all possibilities, just as for military campaigns. They model the future, they don't sit around and react on the hoof.

All of it is always about money.

Starting a third WW would have been one way to make a shitload of money, but, with nuclear weapons, a tad reductive. This is second best.

claig,

You talk like the future is entirely predictable - it is not - even to the elite that you keep mentioning. BTW - who are these faceless people? can you name any of them and do you have any evidence of the influence that they bring to bear?
Like most, I tend to go for cock up theories rather than conspiricy theories - IMO very arrogant people who think that they know more than they actually do have caused this situation. These people think that the Economic models that they use are a scientific reality and that very complex Economic systems can be modelled accurately. This aligned to human greed has caused a lot of the current mess.

Imagine if they would have used just a small portion of the billions they have since taken from the public, in order to prop up Lehmans. Then it wouldn't have started the chain reaction. But the chain reaction was necessary in order to justify cuts, which is the ideological objective to cut people's living standards and aspirations.

The elite could have pulled the plug at any time or they could have chosen to keep the artificial bubble going. They always intended to pull the plug at one point, when they were ready.

The derivatives and CDS instruments etc. were always based on thin air. Choosing to not bail out Lehmans is when they set the whole collapse into motion.

The reason is tied up with their largest scam - global warming, climate catastrophe and saving of the planet. It's tied up with their "environmentally friendly" food of ants. locusts and beetles.

Once upon a time. the elite said "let them eat cake". In the future, they will say "let them eat ants".

The reason they are doing it is "sustainability". They tell us that the planet is not sustainable, our energy sources are not sustainable, our pensions are not sustainable, our lifestyles are not sustainable and our libraries are not sustainable. Of course, it is all a lie.

The real thing behind it all is population. They don't want people to do well and prosper and for the population to increase. That will mean that there are less resources left for them. That's why they have educated people about the depletion of resources and told them that human behaviour has led the planet over the "tipping point".

They are going to implement the same austerity programmes worldwide. They are going to hold people back, slow them down, increase their taxes, reduce their consumption, reduce their use of power in order to make them more powerless.

Newsnight ran a theme of the earth's population last week. Every day they warned us how it was growing and at the end they hit us with the whammy about how good it would be if we started eating ants and locusts.

It's about austerity to hold people back, cut their services, cut their aspirations, cut their access to free education in an attempt to stop their progress. They call it being "progressive".

claig - forgive me for being slow here, but you seem to have said repeatedly that the elite are out to impose austerity on everyone in Europe. Why? Why (short of some sort of rarher pointless psychopathic sadistic tendency) would they wish this? They are mere mortals too. Once you have a billion dollars having a few billion more makes you happier how?

Exactly right. It's not capitalism at all. It is just plain old string pullerism.

But it's not Capitalism is it, when banks are bailed out at the expense of the tax payers Capitalism, has long gone bye bye.

'It will all come crashing down, this whole debt fiasco cannot continue, it's just when really.'

Lots of the left think it is a failure of capitalism. It's not a failure of capitalism. The string pullers are in control and they pull the plug when they decide. The result of them pulling the plug is austerity for the public.

I'm sorry but the corruption and tax evasion by Greek citizens is so irrelevant. I have no idea why people are so keen to pin this whole crisis to the lapels of the average citizen. It's systematic and it is the Governments and Banks who are to blame.

I have read so many blogs and analyses that my mind is in a spin, I can't claim to understand the whole CDS thing or the whole leveraging thing, but I know enough to call BS.

Apparently the whole CDS thing is like $1500 trillion dollars, more money than is in the world, they all insured each other, they lent imaginary money to make more imaginary money.

It will all come crashing down, this whole debt fiasco cannot continue, it's just when really.

Why didn't they report all these things about Greece before? Why were all the banks lending them money hand over fist and advising them and preparing their figures so that they could enter the Euro? Why didn't countries protest at Greece's entry and bring some of these facts up? Why did they let them into the Euro?

Do you think that all these clever financial institutions and credit rating agencies didn't know? Why do you think they are telling you all about it now?

Another article from the NY times about corruption and tax evasion in Greece. If true I just don't understand how people could enjoy such generous public spending whilst seemingly having such low regard for contributing towards the common good.

Cameron likes us to think about it all in terms of our own household budget, so I will now do so. If I borrowed a whole ton of money that was lent to me by people who knew I couldn't pay it back really, and then couldn't pay it back, was faced with years and years of absolute misery on the breadline paying it back in dribs and drabs with creditors hanging over me the whole time, know what I'd do? I'd declare bankrupcy and sod the creditors
(well this is a fictional me cos I don't really like debt and I'd probably really be the stupid one who kept on paying back all those debts)

I really hope a whole load of hedge funds lose a whole ton of money over this

sorry - that's the best in the way of financial analysis i can muster, but hey, if we're all supposed to relate to these problems like they're our own personal budgets now, it must be insightful, right?

Disputandum- I agree totally Greek economic policy has been disasterous in recent years where fiscal policy has been dreadful and public spending allowed to get totally out of control and it will hurt them for the next 10-15 years.