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Occupy London

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glasnost · 07/10/2011 12:38

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Well, why not MNers?

What have your kids got to lose? In NY there are alot of families with children protesting and occupying that doesn't get mentioned in the mainstream press.

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glasnost · 23/10/2011 10:07

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/22/second-occupy-london-finsbury-square

It's spreading.

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glasnost · 23/10/2011 09:33

Hargreaves was alice (in wonderland) liddell's married name. Or is Alice Liddell your real name? In which case well done as I think MNters should emerge from the shadows and use their real names on certain boards. Would prevent alot of pettiness.

Back to Occupation. It's going ahead despite St. Paul's spurious attempts to oust them. I reckon they're more bothered about takings being down.

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aliceliddell · 22/10/2011 17:29

Don't get 'hargreaves' Is that you? Having slagged off the comrades, I should confess to my failure to attend the 'Hardest Hit' Anti Cuts stall today due almost entirely to general arsing about.

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glasnost · 22/10/2011 10:29

It's like herding cats, that's why. I, for one, am quite happy to forgo my feline nature for the cause though alice hargreaves nee liddell!!

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aliceliddell · 21/10/2011 18:53

The Left seem incapable of applying the phrase 'unity is strength'. Even in the face of massive onslaught by the Condems, how many anti-cuts campaigns have we got? Tony Benn was right 'too many socialist parties and not enough socialists'.

niceguy2 · 21/10/2011 18:23

Yay! At least the "Occupy London" moment have accomplished something!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15406865

To be fair, I'm not sure if they meant that to happen but hey at least something has happened!

I'm not seeing a rush of politician's crapping themselves like the Expenses scandal, nor the country grinding to a halt like the petrol protests. It'll all be over in two weeks when the media get bored of nothing happening, it gets colder and the rain sets in.

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glasnost · 21/10/2011 17:53

ISWYM anyway my initials are neither CG, nor HS.

That's the problem with The Left though. It's so fragmented. Unity is needed.

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aliceliddell · 21/10/2011 17:48

'your' lot are only kind of partially 'my' lot iyswim

aliceliddell · 21/10/2011 17:46

Probably not know, but know of. May have met, eg Strike Support Group late 90's?

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glasnost · 21/10/2011 17:37

What's with the bet on my initials? Totally random or you think you know me? I could tell you my name but there're some weirdy types on here (espesh on the Dale Farm threads!)

They could do with some organisation. SWP wheedled their way in and will be browbeating and haranguing occupiers no doubt but where's "our" lot?

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glasnost · 21/10/2011 17:18

I meant the London Stock Exchange is a sponsor of St. Paul's.

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aliceliddell · 21/10/2011 17:18

glasnost I'm back! From outer space I just walked in to find you here with that sad look - oh, wrong song. Yes, the Dale Farm thing did make me want to bleach my eyes. But hey. Occupy Everything presses on but still a bit vague on programme firm plans as it were. Still think they could do with an organisation of some sort...

I've got a bet on with dp - he thinks your initials are CG, I think they're HS. This could be worth up to, ooh, £3.50, maybe even £4.

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glasnost · 21/10/2011 17:12

Ta for that Disputandum. I'd been thinking about thay ever since my tour of duty on those Dale Farm threads. Why doesn't the church offer the evictees sanctuary and why don't ppl get up in arms about how much land the church and Crown own? I digress.

Apparently the City of London is a corporate sponsor of St. Paul's. How's that for an unholy alliance? The Occupation is staying put it seems.

claig the elf and safety angle is tried and tested method to defuse movements.

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Disputandum · 21/10/2011 16:55

I don't know whether it was a rhetorical question glasnost, but here's an article about how much land the church owns.

Fwiw I don't have much sympathy with St Paul's...they charge something like £15 entrance fee so should be able to cope with a few days of lost revenue.

claig · 21/10/2011 16:55

This is a classic setup. They have been asked to leave for "elf and safety" reasons. And who can argue with that politically correct concept? The protest must stop to comply with "elf and safety".

If that doesn't convince them to pack up and go home, the next thing that will be tried is the good old "carbon footprint" trick. They will be told that being gathered together in such large numbers, produces too much carbon, and they should pack up and leave immediately.

If some of them have their doubts about the veracity of the "carbon" claims, the Guardian will probably run a week's worth of stories about the "carbon" danger, together with pictures of men in strange suits and helmets carrying carbonometers and declaring that this is hastening the end of the planet.

Meanwhile the bankers will carry on as per usual, bagging their bonuses and laughing all the way to the bank.

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claig · 21/10/2011 16:33

I think the protestors have been sucked into the Church issue deliberately in order to divert attention from teh banks. We can now expect the progressive newspapers to make a big issue over the Church, one of their usual targets, and conveniently ignore the banks.

claig · 21/10/2011 16:25

"I?d like to see a hybrid of capitalism and communism with everyone getting the same wage?.

In fact, what she is saying is that she doesn't want communism and she doesn't want capitalism, she wants something in between. She wants a fair system or something like Blair's third way. Nick Clegg also said he wanted a fairer way. She's not as stupid as all that.

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glasnost · 21/10/2011 16:25

Back to Occupation. They're in the process of negotiating with the Church to see whether they can stay.

How much land does the Church own in the UK? And the Crown?

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glasnost · 21/10/2011 16:23

I bloody hate emoticons but I must use one for your New Labour spokesman quip, claig. Smile Smile and, indeed, Smile. I draw the line at a Grin though.

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claig · 21/10/2011 16:12

Ordinary people sometimes say stupid things. But that doesn't matter. Ordinary people don't have all the answers. But they can still voice their discontent with the current state of affairs. I prefer to hear ordinary people's views than apparatchiks who mouth the approved platitudes of "we need another carbon tax" and we are running out of time "to save the planet". Let the people speak, and make sure they are not high-jacked by the official 'carbon footprint' tax brigade, who are His Master's Voice rather than the people's voice.

claig · 21/10/2011 16:06

I think it might have been a New Labour spokesperson.

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glasnost · 21/10/2011 15:45

Who the hell said that?

Was probably an actor. (She hopes).

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Disputandum · 21/10/2011 15:43

"I?d like to see a hybrid of capitalism and communism with everyone getting the same wage?.

God, can't they stop the stupid ones talking to cameras?

Disputandum · 21/10/2011 15:41

Just read that St Paul's is closing indefinitely, for the first time since WW2, and has asked the camp to move on.