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Occupy London

288 replies

glasnost · 07/10/2011 12:38

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Well, why not MNers?

What have your kids got to lose? In NY there are alot of families with children protesting and occupying that doesn't get mentioned in the mainstream press.

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ttosca · 07/10/2011 17:15

Christ. It's depressing how some people have bought the Tory narrative of 'public profligacy'.

The situation we're in right now is caused by the financial crisis, bailout, recession, and loss of tax receipts. It's not because the public have been spoiled silly with lavish public spending, or by buying themselves yachts and trips to Monaco.

Real wages have remained stagnant for three decades, due to neo-liberal ideology. People are, in fact, poorer in real terms today than they were two decades ago. Meanwhile, the cost of living has soared. People are just trying to make ends meet.

While the public are suffering, wealth inequality hasn't been this bad since the Victorian era. The richest are becoming filty rich at the expense of everyone else. The banks collapse, and the public bail them out. The ratio of the lowest paid workers to CEOs has increased enormously in the past decade. The richest are swimming in money while pilfering the wages from the hard work of the vast majority of the public.

People did take out loans, and they did use credit cards. That's because they needed credit to pay for the basic cost of living; to pay for their insane house prices, the most expensive public transport system in europe, the rocketing petrol prices, the souring gas and electric bills.

We will stay mired in a depression/recession, until people actually have money to spend. The problem isn't just that shops and businesses don't have access to loans, but that there is no consumer demand out there because everyone is broke.

Quick and easy access to credit was pushed on to consumers in order for the rich to have their cake and eat it too: this way, they could keep shafting workers by suppressing wages and workers rights, but at the same time, keep up demand for consumer goods and services. Now that people no longer have access to credit, there is no demand, because everyone is broke.

The insane policy of the Tories is to further slash spending, cutting down growth, and cutting public services, making people poorer and life more difficult and uncertain for the public. They are less likely to spend money when they don't see jobs or a future, and can't even rely on basic services anymore.

For God's sake, the enemy isn't the public, most of whom are just trying to get by. The enemy are the leeches at the top who are sucking people dry.

MrPants · 07/10/2011 16:51

whomovedmychocolate I think I love you! Thank Christ there's another out there for whom the penny has dropped. I thought I was alone.

Everyone must realise by now that however rich we thought we were before the crash it was just an illusion - We were never really as rich as we thought we were. The only reason that we seemed to be so wealthy was because we were buying stuff for ourselves (both as people via personal debt, and as a country through national debt) with money that belonged to other people. Not unreasonably, those other people would like their money to be paid back at some point, preferably with interest and preferably with a currency which is as valuable as that which they lent to us with in the first place.

Anything that doesn't address this basic premise is just La-La land economics.

whomovedmychocolate · 07/10/2011 16:21

And how are we getting screwed by government, is it better to let the country to run up more and more debt till we are just like Greece only with crapper weather ?

We have to work with what we have as a country. The price for living as we have for the last twenty years is what has to be paid. Or would you prefer it to be passed to your children instead? And their children.

I disagree with a lot of the government's policies but really, do you have an alternative which is viable?

whomovedmychocolate · 07/10/2011 16:18

Yes I want you to explain exactly how going to London and blocking up a bridge will resolve the global financial crisis (aside from perhaps putting a few quid in the pocket of the train company that gets you there).

KatharineClifton · 07/10/2011 16:15

Seriously? You want me to spell it out whomovedmychocolate? Ok, all dissent helps us being screwed by government.

Rivenwithoutabingle · 07/10/2011 16:04

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whomovedmychocolate · 07/10/2011 16:04

How? Hmm

KatharineClifton · 07/10/2011 15:57

It all helps whomovedmychocolate.

whomovedmychocolate · 07/10/2011 15:57

I am not sure what is practically hoped to be achieved by these occupations but honestly, I would not take my children to be kettled for something which can never succeed IMHO.

whomovedmychocolate · 07/10/2011 15:55

do you know, I think that may not work somehow.

Prolesworth · 07/10/2011 15:55

here's the facebook event page chibi: www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=255151111189948

chibi · 07/10/2011 15:54

as far as i know, none of this has gotten any mention in the mainstream press- i have no clear idea what is going on

glasnost · 07/10/2011 15:45

Do it FOR your kids I meant in previous post.

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