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Is the US a fascist state?

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glasnost · 03/10/2011 21:07

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
  1. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
  1. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
  1. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
  1. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
  1. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
  1. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
  1. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
  1. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
  1. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

  2. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

  3. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

  4. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

  5. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

From Liberty Forum

On the basis of this is the US a fascist state? And the UK? Italy undoubtedly is.

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glasnost · 03/10/2011 22:20

How folkloristic Disputandum. I particularly liked the frog touch there. The US doesn't need frogs when it's got the Patriot Act, mass surveillance of its own citizens, drones, corrupt congressmen and Supreme court judges, Fox (faux) News, more military spending than any other nation, more incarcerated persons than any other nation, more wealth disparity than any other developed nation, capital punishment, black sites, extraordinary renditions, enhanced interrogation, engagement in and initiation of more wars than any nation ever, the list goes on now does it?

What free press meditrina? CNN, ABC, FO(AU)X News? NYT? There's no mainstream press in the US unbeholden to corporate interests.

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meditrina · 03/10/2011 22:14

The points do not include the key ones - treatment of dissenters and an independent judiciary, a vigorous multiparty democracy, and police actions limited by law, and freedom of speech. Nor do they have a weighting for the relative importance of the points - a free press mitigates so many of the other areas.

KatharineClifton · 03/10/2011 22:09

Because Democrats aren't tied to trees and fed castor oil and frogs doesn't make the USA not fascist. As you well know.

KatharineClifton · 03/10/2011 22:08

9/11 wasn't a tipping point glasnost. Foreign policy has always been corrupt. Just look at the shock doctrine experiments in Latin America.

Disputandum · 03/10/2011 22:07

How so katharine?

The blackshirts used to tie troublemakers who opposed Mussolini to a tree and make them drink pints of castor oil before forcing them to eat a live frog...of course the SS went much further than that to keep order.

We're not seeing that sort of thing in the US quite yet are we?

glasnost · 03/10/2011 22:05

Where do you get your info from Disputandum?

If you look at each of these 14 points the US in particular post 9/11 adheres to them all. (The fraudulent election though was obviously the one that preempted 9/11 in November 2000 when Bush didn't actually win).

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KatharineClifton · 03/10/2011 22:00

I think Number 5 is applicable to all nation states. Are the women of Rwanda equal? No.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 03/10/2011 21:57

Although, an interesting project would be to grade each US state on each of those indices, and rank them in order of fascist-ness. You'd need to have a lot of spare time on your hands though...

KatharineClifton · 03/10/2011 21:54

Yes. Not because of the stuff in the OP but because it kills it's own citizens.

Disputandum · 03/10/2011 21:48

And it's not doctor Lawrence Britt. He was a corporate executive who wrote a novel about extremism and then the opinion piece you have posted here - it became a sort of email chain letter about 10 years ago and over time adherents started adding 'doctor' (and referring to him as a political scientist).

Disputandum · 03/10/2011 21:35

No.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 03/10/2011 21:33

I'm gonna say... no.

But it wouldn't be a massive leap to get there. For either the US or the UK.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, or something. IIRC.

obamaiswrong · 03/10/2011 21:31

YES.

glasnost · 03/10/2011 21:21

Ooh ta for that considered insight. If you'd refuted any of the points that would'v'e been more interesting. Next!

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mousesma · 03/10/2011 21:17

No.

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