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Why the Tories are bastards

113 replies

breadandbutterfly · 02/10/2011 13:06

Came across this today whilst researching something else - may explain a lot why George Osborne just doesn't 'get' the problems with his ideas - may also explain some of the attitudes of some of our fellow posters. :)

www.economist.com/node/16690659

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PeachyWhoCannotType · 02/10/2011 18:15

Sorry the university offered me me a place- God forbid the local party started funding places

PeachyWhoCannotType · 02/10/2011 18:14

Oi there with your MC claptrap Custy Wink

Though I seem to remember I do 'own' the name PinkoLiberal LMAO. My family are all WC and pinkos (not sister's branch but the rest) but that might just be us.

Gigondas absolutely agree; local party asked me to stand, even offered a place to study Social Policy at a good uni: nope. Wouldn't want to spend that much time with politicians lest I turn into one of them !.

Iggly · 02/10/2011 18:13

I have an issue that most politicians are career politicians. They Ghent done much or anything outside of politics and they get bound up by their theories etc then wonder why it doesn't work so get sucked into politics by PR.

Tory, Labour or Lib Dems - it matters not.

Tortington · 02/10/2011 18:10

i think that in general working class and upper class people have amazingly right wing views

its the mc who are pink liberals, helping puppies and poor people n stuff Grin

Gigondas · 02/10/2011 18:10

I think part of issue is why would anyone go into politics? The time commitment and fact that people seem to start younger and younger . This adds to lack of empathy as you get caught in a political bubble, often not doing/having much of a career before becoming a career politician. I know this happened in past but heseltine, thatcher , foot etc all did something else as well as politics.

I dont want to divert this onto an expenses claim rant but that whole saga amongst other points flagged a sense of being isolated and out of touch with what goes on I'm rest of world (ie put your hand in till like that with most jobs you wouldn't get very far)

PeachyWhoCannotType · 02/10/2011 18:07

'because my experience has been that people who have dragged themselves up by their boot-straps are more likely to expect others to do the same rather than less.

there's some truth in there; the 'I did so you can even if your life is vastly different to mine' brigade

PeachyWhoCannotType · 02/10/2011 18:07

Oh fgs

I am not a fan of Tory politics, just not my philosophy or natural leaning, but there are many Tories in RL I like. One or two I don't admittedly but the same goes of any political leaning amongst my social circle.

As for rich people are incapable of empathy- ffs.

There's a book due out soon about empathy with a big hype and people are jumping on the bandwagon is all. Silly really as the key concepts as far as I can work out are outdated anyway (my research is centred on empathy and ASD so know a little) but why would that get in the way of saleable pop psychology at it's worst.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 02/10/2011 18:00

I don't think a wealthy background makes someone automatically incapable of empathy. In fact, I have more problems with people who harp on about their impoverished 'roots' as if that makes them somehow more qualified to care... because my experience has been that people who have dragged themselves up by their boot-straps are more likely to expect others to do the same rather than less.

aquashiv · 02/10/2011 17:54

Maisiethemorningsidecat I think you have framed the wrong party with the decimation of manufacutring and industry that wonderful little gem shall always belong to Thatcher. As for illegal wars come on yourself the Tories were in full support and if Blair hadnt gone in he would have been blasted.

Still dont let a bin of spin get in the way of the facts.

breadandbutterfly · 02/10/2011 17:28

@niceguy - the tongue was firmly in cheek with the title - and yes, I absolutely agree that it explains why Labour has veered so far to the right of recent years, and why Ed Miliband, try though he might, is still having problems connecting with the populace.

Do you not regard it as problematic that those supposedly representing our interests at Westminster are frequently from backgrounds so very far removed from those they purport to represent?

Whilst undoubtedly there are honourable exceptions that prove the rule, I think this research does show why having a government comprised largely of children of multimillionaires is problematic, as THEY JUST DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT ORDINARY/OTHER PEOPLE.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 02/10/2011 13:54

As the research was run in California, wouldn't it be safe to assume that the participants in the research were American?.... a country where 'government' is regarded as a not-particularly-necessary evil and 'tax' is synonymous with 'robbery'?

Maisiethemorningsidecat · 02/10/2011 13:39

Yes, because the bastard (the same one who is now lining his own grubby pockets) that sent us to an illegal war was also a Tory, wasn't he? Oh no, I believe he wasn't. Or the party that decimated our manufacturing industry, created the most complex tax system in Europe and created more child poverty than ever before were Tory too, weren't they? Oh no, wait a minute, that will be the other lot too.

Stop with the all Tories are bastards line. Labour are just bastardy. In fact, all politicians, regardless of which side of the house they sit on, are egotistical despots.

niceguy2 · 02/10/2011 13:34

Yeah cos all Labour MP's are all paupers themselves right?

Oh wait.....no they're not!

order-order.com/2010/10/11/shadow-cabinet-of-millionaires/