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UK 9/11 Memorial for 67 victims, why not the same for 160+ Human BSE UK victims?

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Beaaware · 13/09/2011 17:38

Not many of you probably know this but there is a memorial site in London by the River Thames which has a plaque in memory of those innocent UK victims who have died from the human form of mad cow's disease (vCJD). These victims are from all walks of life just like those who died in the 9/11 disaster, they were not born with this deadly disease but it was transmitted to them, ultimately leading to their deaths. What bothers me is that no politician or royal figure is ever in attendance at the annual Human BSE memorial, held on 12th November each year, why is this not given any media coverage? Why do politicians seem afraid to be involved? Is this because this dreadful lethal disease is still killing people today? Why are the victims of Human BSE ignored?

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claig · 15/09/2011 21:56

I am saying that they didn't inform people of the facts. I leave it to you to decide what that implies.

It's obvious why they don't want to publicise it and attend memorials. If they did, then people might start asking questions. People might ask who was to blame and did they lie to the public?

claig · 15/09/2011 21:53

'The lying doctor told me all blood products were safe and screened for vCJD'

Do you think the doctor didn't know, when tens of thousands of ordinary citizens did know? Why did he say that? Does he bear responsibility? Do those who never informed the public of the true facts bear responsibility?

onagar · 15/09/2011 21:49

How can you describe the deaths of hundreds of citizens as a 'conspiracy theory'?

claig you are agreeing with fedupalready that it was deliberate murder then?

claig · 15/09/2011 21:42

'If you want to push for awareness of that then fine, but this smacks of conspiracy theory stuff.

How can you describe the deaths of hundreds of citizens as a 'conspiracy theory'? It is a fact, and they die horrible deaths as their brains deteriorate and they can no longer walk. Read accounts of their deaths. Open your eyes. The EU banned the meat and Britain didn't. Don't be naive, they aren't going to ban everything that may have a link to it - the cost would be enormous. As Riven said, her doctor didn't tell her the full facts. That's not a conspiracy, it's a fact.

fedupalready · 15/09/2011 21:38

unlawfully killed by vCJD does imply intent to kill, you are correct, but do you think for one minute I or any of the families affected could stand a chance of justice against the Conservative government ministers & scientists who were in office between 1985 - 1996, just look who is our current 'head of justice' Grin Grin, there is no chance sadly. If the victims were not unlawfully killed then what were they?

mamadivazback · 15/09/2011 21:36

In a way I get what the OP is saying about the picking and choosing of 'events' to memorialise (sorry not great with words), but I also think that there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

I'm sure we would all have a memorial for people dying of whichever cause is close to our hearts but the simple fact is it just wouldn't work.

I do however wonder why every year we are shown endless footage of 9/11 when things like the Dunblane massacre seem to be pushed aside further and further every year.

Who decides what is more important and worthy of a memorial?

Riveninabingle · 15/09/2011 21:34

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onagar · 15/09/2011 21:28

unlawfully killed by vCJD implies intent to kill? If you have evidence call your local police station.

As for the idea of requiring labels saying that "this will give you BSE" that is ludicrous. If you were sure that was the case you would ban the sale.

A terrible thing happened and harmed a lot of people. Personally I'm disgusted that the practices that led to it happening were not already banned and sadly I expect they still go on. If you want to push for awareness of that then fine, but this smacks of conspiracy theory stuff.

claig · 15/09/2011 21:20

Gelatine is used in snacks and sweets. Even if you are vegetraian you still probably consume certain animal products. The capsules for vitamin pilss and medicines, I think, contain gelatin.

Blood transfusions ran the risk of infecting the receiver.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/feb/18/blood-supplies-cjd-bse

The Red Cross in America has rules for donating blood that relate to Britain

"At this time, the American Red Cross donor eligibility rules related to vCJD are as follows:

You are not eligible to donate if:

From January 1, 1980, through December 31, 1996, you spent (visited or lived) a cumulative time of 3 months or more, in the United Kingdom (UK), or
From January 1, 1980, to present, you had a blood transfusion in any country(ies) in the (UK). The UK includes any of the countries listed below.

Channel Islands
England
Falkland Islands
Gibraltar
Isle of Man
Northern Ireland
Scotland
Wales"

The disease can remain latent for many years. People may yet be affected. Are we sure that all deaths have been correctly diagnosed?

Beaaware is right. Politicians and actors and charities have many memorials for the dead, but it seems not to be teh case for BSE. Why? I think it is pretty clear why.

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Beaaware · 15/09/2011 21:09

onagar, the point of the thread is to highlight the annual human bse memorial held in London each year on 12th November and why no politician or royal family member has ever to my knowledge attended, the day is in fact to commemorate ALL victims worldwide who have been unlawfully killed by vCJD, there are simultaneous memorials being held in Ireland and the USA, but as I am sure you are aware the UK has the most victims to date, the UK is classified as a high risk nation. This memorial is sadly kept out of the media for unknown reasons.
Yes I do mean that meat, vaccines, blood bags, medicines, make-up, gelatine, dairy products, surgical/dental instruments and even wine should have come with warnings labels, as early as 1985 it was known by government scientists that BSE could cross the species barrier and be transmitted to humans, were we told, no, so for the majority of us we have been kept in the dark, that is why so many people have died and are still dying from human BSE in 2011. I remember on the news ministers telling us that BSE could not be transmitted to humans, I remember the pathetic sight of John Gummer pretending to feed his daughter a beef burger trying to fool us that beef was safe, I remember the nurse at my local surgery telling me that childhood vaccines were safe and did not contain bovine material, how wrong these people were and many knew it. Vegetarians have died from this, explain that?

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Kewcumber · 15/09/2011 20:04

Can we add Malaria to the list of transmittable diseases that could be prevented/improved. I lived in a Malaria free african country which 40 years later sadly has malaria back.

Doobydoo · 15/09/2011 17:51

Actually one of the young girl's I was in contact with had been a veggie for years...who knows where it came from

onagar · 15/09/2011 16:57

Beaaware, I can't help noticing that you are discounting deaths in other countries as irrelevant. Are they not people too?

You also said something I find odd. The terrible tragedy of BSE is that nothing came with a warning for the majority of us,

Do you mean that the meat should have had a label saying "infected with BSE" ? If so you may have missed a fairly crucial point.

Kewcumber · 15/09/2011 12:21

(whats a bingle?)

Kewcumber · 15/09/2011 12:20

Riven - I'd like to see an improvement in animal welfare standards generally not specifically for vCJD and happy for price of meat to go up as a result and correspondingly eat less meat (I am a confirmed meat eater and poor to boot!).

Riveninabingle · 15/09/2011 09:55

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Beaaware · 15/09/2011 09:33

For those who wish to attend the human bse memorial day on 12th November 2011 all are welcome including press, TV, politicians, mumsnet mums, royalty, the plaque is next to St.Thomas's Hospital on the embankment in London, 3 minutes from Waterloo Station, time is 1.00pm.

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claig · 14/09/2011 21:29

Keep reminding people, Beaaware. Ignore the ignorant who don't understand.

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Beaaware · 14/09/2011 20:59

The terrible tragedy of BSE is that nothing came with a warning for the majority of us, resulting in human deaths. Cows still develop this but not in the 100,000's, certain products now carry vCJD disclaimers, we live with the legacy, the memorial site being just one.

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Beaaware · 14/09/2011 20:48

Maiavan, cant see the link between UK politicians attending memorial sites in the UK and 800,000 slaughtered victims in Rwanda Confused maybe there is a memorial site in Rwanda for these poor victims?

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Maiavan · 14/09/2011 17:36

The Rwandan 800 000 people were slaughtered. Is this not a human tragedy? This was 1994 not 1894!

Kewcumber · 14/09/2011 17:23

Excellent point Lulu. My grandfather died a horrible death from lung cancer.

hester · 14/09/2011 16:08

This thread is the best thing to happen to me all day.

I'm hoping my evening will be an improvement.

AnyoneButLulu · 14/09/2011 16:04

I'd start with the millions killed by the tobacco industry over the years myself.

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