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UK 9/11 Memorial for 67 victims, why not the same for 160+ Human BSE UK victims?

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Beaaware · 13/09/2011 17:38

Not many of you probably know this but there is a memorial site in London by the River Thames which has a plaque in memory of those innocent UK victims who have died from the human form of mad cow's disease (vCJD). These victims are from all walks of life just like those who died in the 9/11 disaster, they were not born with this deadly disease but it was transmitted to them, ultimately leading to their deaths. What bothers me is that no politician or royal figure is ever in attendance at the annual Human BSE memorial, held on 12th November each year, why is this not given any media coverage? Why do politicians seem afraid to be involved? Is this because this dreadful lethal disease is still killing people today? Why are the victims of Human BSE ignored?

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Ryoko · 03/10/2011 17:11

Governments only condone things that help political agenda simple as that, they don't give a fuck about the people, on a side note I hate the awful memorial to the 7/7 victims that clutters up Hyde Park, I don't understand why they feel the need to clutter up the best lungs of London with trash like the Diana fountain and silly art, can they not just accept that people like green space and leave it as natural as possible?.

And why I ask is it there of all places?, if you must have such a thing in a large public park should it not be something for The Blitz? or some cultural significant thing that happened in the area of the park itself? . 7/7 victims should have plaques in the places it happened, just as Kings Cross has one due to the fire.

ButHeNeverDid · 03/10/2011 12:58

I do wish you would stop bringing in the events of 9/11 into your argument.

It does not help your case at all.

Beaaware · 01/10/2011 14:39

For those who have shown interest in the International Human BSE Memorial day here is an update, invites were sent to various members of the government & royal family, Boris Johnson, David Cameron & Prince Charles have all declined to attend, perhaps if the 200 plus UK Human BSE victims had all died in a single plane crash in lets say the USA it may be a different matter.

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Beaaware · 19/09/2011 10:23

Looks like there are going to be a few more of us developing this lethal disease, according to an article in yesterday's Sunday Times, there are an estimated 60,000 of us harbouring vCJD.

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glasnost · 17/09/2011 20:40

onagar you are either a fool or one of the badduns. Must be great being a conformist cynic with no critical thought though. Well done!

onagar · 17/09/2011 18:52

Oh and I remember now why I didn't bother with your link. It doesn't even go to a detailed explanation of your 'evidence', but to a youtube video with 'catchy' background music. :o

onagar · 17/09/2011 18:32

I've looked at these things before so I know they are childish and ignorant. "look at me! I'm one of the ones who know the secrets!"

You know it's very common for people like yourself to say "I don't need to answer that - just look at the links" You pretty much have to since you don't have anything that would stand up to a moments serious consideration.

I don't expect to convince you that you are wrong. It's important however that fantasists are challenged so that casual readers won't go away with the impression that your ideas are accepted or acceptable.

glasnost · 17/09/2011 18:03

Just read the last link for detailed, rational explanations or watch the doc I linked previously. But that would take time, attention and - most importantly - an OPEN MIND.

Laters.

onagar · 17/09/2011 17:45

It's no different than the 'alternative theory' to the holocaust. That the Jews made it up for sympathy.

What was your explanation of 9/11 again? That the planes didn't exist, that all ordinary people were removed from the city (somehow without them noticing it?) and replaced with members of the conspiracy who pretended to be ordinary up until the moment they could pretend to see planes? While in fact the buildings were being destroyed by explosives by other members of the conspiracy.

That all the people actually on the planes in question were .. what? kidnapped and killed? That the calls made by those on one plane were in fact made by people who had studied the passengers so they could imitate them?

Wouldn't it have been easier to actually crash the planes into the buildings in the first place?

onagar · 17/09/2011 15:17

glasnost, I'm sure you are right and the planes that hit were actually balloons held up by monkeys trained in secret bases by the CIA and ferried in black helicopters to the scene.

Proof that 9/11 was planned by the CIA and World government with alien collusion

frasersmummy · 17/09/2011 13:00

mamadiva.. I think a lot of decisions around memorials etc are made by victims/ families of the victims

eg I know at 10 year anniversary of Lockerbie the town said they didnt want to keep being innudated with press .. they didnt want to parade their grief publicly anymore.. they wanted to move on. Of course they will always remember

I think the reason we get 9/11 programs and re-runs for weeks before hand is that the americans are more open with their emotions than the british

dons hard hat and prepares to be flamed for stereo typing

glasnost · 17/09/2011 12:31

intended to track and quash DISSENT I should've written above..........

glasnost · 17/09/2011 11:10

"Complete disregard for the population that people in positions of authority can have"" and often wilful elimination of them (9/11) in order to further corrupt military industrial interests and create a surveillance society in the name of the war on "terror" actually intended to track and quash. Aint it great living in a democracy???! 4 years in prison, anyone? Bet you're quaking in your boots. Keep on singing from the same hymn sheet in an insecure bid to not seem to be different and not seeing the wood for the trees.

Conspiracy theories, my arse.

Doobydoo · 16/09/2011 17:16

onagar...perhaps you are right.But it is the complete disregard for the population that people in positions of authority can have.It is just collaterol damage to them and I really feel that many of the people that should be implicated in this do not give a damn...unless they are adversly affected[financially,politically or careerwise]...

onagar · 16/09/2011 14:52

Oh I get it. You think "Conspiracy theory" means it didn't happen. Usually it means the opposite. It means what you saw happened did happen, but what you imagined without any evidence probably didn't.

We all know it happened. Just that most of us don't believe it was part of a secret conspiracy by the government who secretly put BSE in food as part of "biological warfare waged against a civilian population by a western government"

Neglect - yes, Stupidity and greed - yes, secret evil plan to kill voters - no.

Beaaware · 16/09/2011 11:50

Some more facts for those who are unaware, quoted from the Guardian magazine in 2001:

In 1996, the British government finally banned all animal-rendered protein from being fed to farm animals and ordered the mass slaughter of all cattle over 30 months old. 4.7 million beasts, in a bid to remove BSE infection from the 10 million strong national herd.
But the measures were almost always too little too late. Because of the long incubation period in cattle, upto 5 years, large numbers of apparently healthy but infectious animals were fed to the British population as pies, sausages, steaks and Sunday roasts. In total, an estimated 750,000 BSE-infected cattle entered the British food supply.

As late as 1995 , British slaughterhouses were still allowed to "mechanically recover meat", even though the end product was almost certain to contain the most dangerous BSE-infected parts of the cow.
MRM (mechanically recovered meat) was classified as real meat and added to baby food, hamburgers, pies and sausages to bulk out the beef content.
It's hard to think of a better way to spread the BSE agent around in human foodstuffs. The food industry itself is still refusing to disclose how much MRM was fed into the human food chain and what sort of products contained the meat substitute.

In 1997, 17 year old Stacey Robinson and 24 year old Pamela Beyliss from Queniborough, Leicestershire were the first two victims to develop human mad cow disease, they were in the same hospital ward. Pamela's last words were " Will I be saved".

As a safety measure , the USA and a host of other countries, ban blood transfusions from anyone who has lived in Britain in the last 20 years for more than three months. But cow by-products end up in a bewildering range of everyday items, from jelly in pastries to office furniture. Bovine serum is used in the manufacturer of insulin and polio vaccines. Beef tallow, industrialised processed fat, finds its way into creams, ointments, gelatine in pill coatings and even toothpaste.

Prions are amongst the most infectious agents known to man. In cattle, just one gram of BSE infected brain tissue is enough to infect a 500kg cow.

Prions cannot be killed by heat, radiation, boiling or chemical destruction. Anyone who has had a surgical operation in Britain in the past 15 years has already potentially been exposed to vCJD through the use of surgical instruments - prions cannot be destroyed by the normal sterilsation techniques.

So much more about BSE/vCJD in this fascinating article written by Kevin Toolis for the Guardian magazine dated 22.09.2001.

Conspiracy theories I dont think so, unlawfully killed 100%.

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Beaaware · 16/09/2011 11:20

quote from the Guardian magazine by Kevis Toolis

" BSE is porbably the most cybnical act of biological warfare ever waged against a civilian population by a western government. The British government put the narrow business interests of its farming and meat industries before the health of its own population.
On December 22 1984 Sussex farmer Peter Stent called out his local vet to examine a sick cow who was losing weight, trembling and had an arched back. Soon another 8 cows in the Jersey dairy herd fell ill with the same odd disintegrating muscular coordination, some bacame aggressive, all cows died. The animal pathologist recorded the cause as "spongiform encephalopathy - acute"
"If the disease turned out to be bovine scrapie, it would have severe repercussions for the export trade (in cattle) and possibly also for humans if, for example, it was discovered that humans with spongiform encephalopathies had close association with cattle", wrote RAY BRADLEY, head of pathology at the Central Veterinary Laboratory, in the first memo about the new disease circulated to SENIOR CIVIL SERVANTS in December 1986. " It is for this reason I have classified this document confidential".
BRADLEY'S memo set the tone for the government's official response for the next decade as CIVIL SERVANTS and MINISTERS waged a propaganda war to convince themselves and an increasingly sceptical population that British beef was safe to eat. The then agriculture minister John Gummer fed his 4 year old daughter Cordelia a hamburger on primetime TV in May 1990 and various tame scientific committees met to endorse the claim "THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE BOVINE DISEASE IS TRANSMISSABLE TO HUMANS"". Ministers kept repeating that the new BSE disease was just like scrapie, and NOT INFECTIOUS TO HUMANS.
In December 1995, just 4 months before the link between BSE & vCJD was finally acknowledged, the then prime minister JOHN MAJOR wrote to the mother of a vCJD victim: " I SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HUMANS DO NOT GET MAD COW DISEASE".
Major's brazen denial was one in a long line of instutional lies, self-justification, omissions and contortions of the growing scientific evidence of the risk to human population from mad cow disease. Driven by short-term political expediency, each and every arm of the British state, from civil servants in the Ministry of Agriculture to ministers in the Department of Health and 10 Downing Street, colluded in a conspiracy of denial. TELLING THE TRUTH EVEN ABOUT THE RISKS OF INFECTION , THEY REASONED, WOULD CAUSE " PANIC" AND HIT THE MEAT TRADE AT HOME AND ABROAD. For two decades, Britain's rulers ignored and minimised the REAL HEALTH risk of this deadly TSE disease to millions of their own citizens.

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SansaLannister · 15/09/2011 22:59

So witty, claig. You're really wasted on this board.

claig · 15/09/2011 22:20

I think Beaaware is very angry at the deaths, and a lack of commemoration of them by authorities that may well bear some responsibility due to not telling everything they knew. All of these sneering, ignorant people who don't understand half as much as Beaaware does about it, demonstrate wilful ignorance and no empathy for something that may yet affect people that they know in the future.

Beaaware knows far more about BSE than any of us does. In her anger about it, she does sometimes say the wrong thing, but I think her meaning is clear to anyone who has eyes to see. Negligence is also culpability. If you drive recklessly and negligently, then you will be liable to prosecution.

onagar · 15/09/2011 22:08

claig you didn't, but you were complaining about my reaction to people who were saying that there was 'intent to kill'.

claig · 15/09/2011 22:05

'I thought the full moon was passed?'

Obviously not, judging by your contribution.

claig · 15/09/2011 22:03

I didn't say they planned to kill loads of people. I said they didn't inform people of the facts. It was a tragedy, and it seems to have been caused by a lessening of safety standards. But after the true facts became apparent, not all of them were told to the public, which put the public at risk.

SansaLannister · 15/09/2011 22:01

I thought the full moon was passed?

onagar · 15/09/2011 21:58

I have got a low opinion of the government, but you are mixing up stupidity and negligence with some plan to kill loads of people.

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