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UK PENSIONERS. A BURDEN ON THE STATE.

111 replies

ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:06

It is clear that many of you on this site believe that the UK's elderly people are a burden on the State.

So, what you anti- elderly people are doing is descriminating against basically the old in our society, and our country.

You are saying that our elderly people are unaffordable.

That they must endure a low State pension and means tested handouts.

And while you are descrimating against our elderly people, you are full of yourselves to the point of banality.

I read somewhere recently on the internet, that the people living in the 30's and 40's were more mature and sophisticated than the people living today.

This I can believe.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 13:07

Solo, How little you know.

Since the Poll Tax, the Tory's have shifted the responsibility for funding local services, from increases in national income tax, to increases in local council tax.

This is a deliberate move to absolve the role of the State just as David Cameron is doing now, and to place decision making with local authorities, but with less money.

British communities have become separated from central Government funding.

The politicians and the media refer to this as 'localism', but it's more than that, it's a removal of the roll of the State where we all pay our taxes for services to be funded.

What has happened since the Thatcher era is that taxation in this country has been reversed, no longer is income tax increased to fund local services, local tax increases have replaced income tax as the main source of funding local services, hitting the poorest people hardest.

Since Thatcher's Poll Tax, where the poor were expected to pay the same local tax as the rich, this denotes how unfair Britain has become this past 30 years, and so fairness is the crux of the matter here.

Britain has without a doubt, lost it's soul, it's Christianity, it's sense of fair play.

There is now no sense of community, or society, people are leading isolated lives and this, in my view, having read reports on the London riots, is because young people have no jobs and no hope, therefore anxiety and anger is unleashed.

Naturally, our fundamentally right-wing politicians cannot understand this anger and frustration because they lead lives of wealth and privilege.

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bemybebe · 25/08/2011 13:07

niceguy2, why not to take the next step?
if you cannot find the money we should just abolish it. who needs it anyway?? we can also introduce communism whilst we are at it. nice trotsky nirvana of universal poverty

if no-one is rich than no-one is poor, surely...

niceguy2 · 25/08/2011 13:04

Yes, I totally agree Ivanhoe.

Child Benefit should be universal. We should treble, no fuck it quadruple pensions. Let's abolish council tax and whilst we're at it how about stamp duty, tuition fees and sod it income tax.

Now...where do we get the money from?

Any ideas mate? Or will you just avoid the question again?

MugglesandLuna · 25/08/2011 13:01

Its like Gabby on a political rant.

bemybebe · 25/08/2011 13:00

ivanhoe - maybe he said it but yours is a totally irrelevant quote. i suggest you go to primary school to brush up on the three "R"s with arithmetic being your weakest Wink

Solo · 25/08/2011 12:59

My Grandma died in 1980 and she was very poor. Her weekly state pension was £10pw; my (also hard up) parents used to help her out.
It most certainly did not start with Thatcher in the 80's.

AMumInScotland · 25/08/2011 12:59

You seem to be disagreeing with "in addition people are living longer therefore require a pension for longer, it won't be long before there are more pensioners than working people to support them. surely this is just basic mathematics."

Population statistics show very clearly that this is true - why would you not want to use actual serious statistics to justify your ideas?

Could it be that you are talking crap?

2shoes · 25/08/2011 12:58

what an odd thread

Scaevola · 25/08/2011 12:58

Ivanhoe: even if you go only back to the time of the inception if the state pension, you will find poverty amongst the elderly. It did not "literally" begin in the 1980s.

It is an important subject, and I find it unhelpful to see it thus trivialised by inaccurate hyperbole.

ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:57

2shoes, oh jolly good, you took notice.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:56

//I say as a famous philosopher once said:
"You can't always get what you want"///

Another famous philosopher one said, "if you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

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2shoes · 25/08/2011 12:56

ivanhoe What are you on about, shaking in my shoes???

2shoes · 25/08/2011 12:55

your threads don't make sense sorry.
you don't want to debate, you just want to tell people what you think,

Solo · 25/08/2011 12:55

As much as we dislike council taxes, they couldn't be abolished unless something else was put in its place...that stands to reason.

As for trebling state pension Hmm it can't be done! I'd love my Mum to have more money to do the things she wants to do, but it's not going to happen is it!!!

EdwardorEricCantDecide · 25/08/2011 12:55

don't really understand your reply????

if your pension costs go up (people living longer for example)

and your income goes down (businesses going bust, high unemployment therefore lower income from tax)

how do you pay for the defecit, this is common sense and doesn't need to be "bought and paid for" i got mine for free i suggest you get yourself some, your posts indicate a very low understanding of economy.

you've now been asked by myself and niceguy2 how you would acheive your goals and have yet to answer?
do you have any ideas on how to acheive your ideas?
have you run for parliament or attempted contacting your MP about it?

ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:55

2shoes, now now dear, dont start shaking in your shoes at the thought of someone getting something your not.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:54

Sc, Right.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:53

Hello amuminscotland, how are you dear?, all right ?, jolly good .

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Scaevola · 25/08/2011 12:53

What is wrong with the current proposal for a 40% increase?

Scaevola · 25/08/2011 12:52

"You see old age poverty in this country began literally in the 80's"

Wrong.

ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:52

////I've been posting about the Coalition plans to increase the basic state pension by about 40%, paid for largely by abolishing means testing and the associated costs.

No-one else seems to be posting support for it though./////

This is only a proposal. But's it's rubbish anyway.

Apparantly old age is a problem in Britain, I just wish our living way veterans had some idea of this Nazi ethos 60 years on in this country, they probably would have let Hitler take over completely

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AMumInScotland · 25/08/2011 12:51

Please feel free to put forward your planned budget then - either here or let the Chancellor know directly. I'm sure they'd love to know how you think the State Pension can be trebled and Council Tax abolished. If you can explain how to make the cuts needed to fund these ideas, go for it.

2shoes · 25/08/2011 12:50

where does the money come from??
who are you going to take it away from?

ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:49

////and how would you pay for that?/////

Hi, are you talking to me Edward ?

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:48

/////in addition people are living longer therefore require a pension for longer, it won't be long before there are more pensioners than working people to support them. surely this is just basic mathematics./////

I see you have also been bought and paid for then.

It is interesting how many people simply love parroting what the politicians and media constantly trumpet.

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