The Grauniad seems to be dying - hurrah!

I don't believe claig is a real person.

Maybe a bored, out-of-work Graundiad hack is having a laugh?

Surely nobody is this much of a DM stereotype, though? If you are a Graundia hack, you need to make your character more nuanced

TSC / I'm not happy seeing anyone lose their job - and in all seriousness, I genuinely hope the Guardian keeps going. But leftie cunts are quite happy to see a pub close and all it's staff lose their jobs - just because it banned 2 homosexuals who broke pub rules.

So You need to know what you're talking about - but most lefties talk shite so I'm not hopeful.

claig - Lord Turnbull is spot on but it would have been nice if he had said it at the time he was in office. It really needed a loud authoritative voice of sanity inside Govt and civil service in 2005 to counter the hysteria.

Global warming is a myth projected and pumped up by the green lobby - many member of whch used to be members of the anti capitalist movement, anti nuclear movement and Communist Party of the UK.

sorry, so-called "nutjobs". I think Sarah Palin is great.

In case progressive newspapers have given people the impression that is is just nutjobs like Sarah Palin who are turning the tide, here is an article from the Daily Mail showing that even people like the former head of the civil service, Lord Turnbull, Tony Blair's Cabinet Secretary from 2002 to 2005, are starting to warn against blind faith in the dire warnings of doom and destruction of the climate change mongers.

It's oooover, it's oooover.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001189/Ministers-fall-climate-folly-warns-ex-Civil-Service-chief.html

I think Whitney Houstons 'didn't we almost have it all' is a better choice.

It is truth told in jest.

I can't work out if that's for real or if you're a Radio 4 satirist.

Agree entirely, MoreBeta. It's just a matter of time. Many more people will eventually think like your PILs. The cloud of propaganda is being lifted, the sun of sanity will shine on the people again.

Grimma, the times they are a changing. There are now politicians on the side of the people, who speak for the people - politicians like Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman in the States, who openly now say things like it is 'snake oil science'. The progressive paradise is receding into the distance, the people have been set free, they are full of glee and they wave the progressives goodbye as the progressives sail away off into the sea.

If Sarah Palin or someone similar makes it to be the next President, then it is curtains for the progressives' plan. It'll be like that old Roy Orbison song, "It's over". The people will sing that song as they rejoice that they have seen the back of it. There will be no more wailing and gnashing of teeth, hope for humanity will be restored. It won't happen overnight, but the process of renewal and truth has started. The progressives know that it is over. All they have left is to try and ridicule Sarah Palin. But the people are wise to it, they secretly read the Daily Mail. The more the progressives try to smear Sarah Palin, the more she becomes the people's champion.

Jan Moir wrote a very good piece recently about euthanasia and our treatment of old people. It was a good counterpoint to the progressive BBC TV programme with Sir Terry Pratchett, which showed the death of a man on TV, and which received complaints from the silent majority. Thankfully we still have some voices and newspapers that are not progressive.

Grimma - I used to read that serious peer reviewed science on climate change for a living. Its a cult and people have seen through it.

claig - very much agreeing wth your post @ 10.34 on Palin and The Daily Mail. Also on the Guardian obsession with climate change.

jackstarb - very interesting analysis on 'Blue Labour'. My PILs live in the socialist republic of Tyneside and are DM readers. They actually vote Tory but are from working class backgrounds and their views are almost identical to their Labour voting neighbours. Neither they nor their neighbours have any intelletual, social or emotional connection with the Fabian progressive Miliband project or the Guardianista metropolitan elite.

I do read the Guadian occasisonally. Their economics corresponent has been excellent on the Greek crisis. I still think the Guardian will eventually fade away and die or perhaps just be an online subscrition only website.

they don't enjoy reading about environmental sustainability and catastrophic climate change, because they know it is bunkum

No. They don't know its bunkum. They'd like to believe its bunkum , and not face up to the issues, so are obviously happier reading a paper which encourages them to carry on living in cloud cuckoo land.

Fortunately serious people read peer reviewed science rather than the DM to understand the complexities; they'll probably come up with enough technological fixes to save the skins of the DM readers in the UK, who probably won't be too arsed what happens elsewhere. Unless of course other parts of the world becoming uninhabitable drives population shift....

Jan Moir - Peter Hitchens - Richard Littlejohn -
The voice of the silent majority.

All hail to them.

Of course they have, that's why the Mail is so much linked on MN and sells so highly. The people are not wrong, they don't enjoy reading about environmental sustainability and catastrophic climate change, because they know it is bunkum. The Guardian is a good paper, and who knows, maybe it will start to adapt and cut down on some of the bunkum.

Come on claig - we all know they've got the DM tucked inside their Guardian.

The guardian and it's communist followers are history - we all know it makes sense.

Its a bit of a moot point now she can't read any more but ...

I think she had never been previously exposed to the arguments and opinions in the Daily Mail. She has now started to read it and has found that she agrees with it.

Again, not really. You'd have to have lived in a box not to come across them in other forms the first 7 or 8 decades of your life . If DH asks her whether that's what she really thinks and she stops and thinks it through - nope, she doesn't truly agree at all. (it may be on a point where DHs opinions will be closer to the DM than his MILs true position, its not that he's persuading her - just asking her to think.)

hhahahaha

reminds me why i never read celeb anything

sorry, forget to post the link

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2006540/Chris-Evans-race-row-saying-black-scientist.html

Ooo, what was it?

I like reading about politics, but also like to read more trivial things, such as what is going on in the celebrity world. The Mail covers it all, which is why ordinary people buy it in large numbers. They are not all interested in reading Gordon Brown's speeches and reading about sustainability and the environment. The Guardian may not be for them.

Yesterday the Mail had a story about a celebrity, which I tthink is pretty shocking. I am glad the Mail brought it to my attention. It has changed my view of this celebrity. Unfortunately the majority of Mail readers seem to think that Evans was not doing anything wrong, but I think what he said was shocking. I also didn't know about the shocking thing that the other BBC presenter, Sarah Kennedy, had said. The progressive papers didn't cover this story yesterday, as far as I could see. I disagree with the BBC's treatment of it

"Last night, the BBC said Evans?s comment had simply been a ?quip? referring to the studio lights being dimmed. They denied it was a ?racist remark? and said the guest had also drawn no such ?inference? from the remark."

I want the Mail to keep informing us of issues like this, so that the BBC will be forced to treat it more seriously than just a 'quip'.

This shocking story didn't even make it into Mumsnet 'In the News' section, probably because so many MNers never read the Mail. If we relied only on the progressives, then we might never be informed of such stories.

I agree!

Foul commie rag

Interesting reading about the Daily Mail

Fortunately for the people, the progressives are failing in their task. The Daily Mail is growing in popularity and is now the second most visited news website in the entire world, and Sarah Palin's popularity is rising.