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AV or not ?

334 replies

theoldbrigade · 20/04/2011 19:00

Thoughts please.

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pointydog · 05/05/2011 21:13

'their' natch. I hang my head

pointydog · 05/05/2011 21:12

I've just read through that channel 4 summary, swedes.

Of the four misleading Yes statements, only one was attributed to the Yes campaign. Three were said by Clegg. I didn't pay any attention to what the politicians said as they are obviously biased.

Of the four misleading No statement, three were said by the No campaign. And there TV ad was shocking.

The No campaign was very tabloid, a load of unsubstantiated opinions. The Yes campaign was ok.

edam · 05/05/2011 21:08

dh can't be bothered to go and vote. Normally I'd be on his case, people died and all that, but he left for work at 7am and only got back at 8pm and has been busy with ds's bedtime routine ever since... not even eaten yet. (I reminded two people I bumped into today to vote, though.)

theanimalswentintwobytwo · 05/05/2011 21:08

I wasn't 100% convinced either way so if i'm not convinced that i want AV then i had to vote No.

SoloIsApparentlyACougar · 05/05/2011 21:08

Pfft, I said I didn't know what I was talking about! Grin but I used my vote and that's more than many will.

pointydog · 05/05/2011 21:07

I listened to a newsnight (or similar) TV debate and I watched the TV ad for Yes and No.

Based on the intelligent, official messages the Yes campaign lacked a little lustre but was clear and sensible. The No campaign was opinion with no evidence.

I just pay attention to the sensible debates, not the junk.

Niecie · 05/05/2011 21:03

Round here it was busier at our polling station than it was last year for the general election! I was quite surprised, I must admit.

Swedes2 · 05/05/2011 21:02

pointydog - I think you'll find the YES campaign were responsible for a grand proportion of the fiction re AV. YES fought a very poor campaign.
round up of the truth behind the claims

It was a poor campaign all round. Disgraceful in many ways for both camps.

stikmatix · 05/05/2011 20:59

Not giving away which way I voted, but all I can say is polling station was dead as a dodo when I went at midday. The ladies manning it looked bored. We don't have local elections here, and I think the referendum obviously didn't whip up a frenzy in our area...

SoupDragon · 05/05/2011 20:50

I planned to vote No, just because the timing is all wrong. However, I simply can't be arsed to go and vote. I would have gone if it were the local elections here too but it isn't and I am struck by an intense sense of apathy.

pointydog · 05/05/2011 20:50

Yes to AV. It's to the advantage of the voting public to have AV.

And the No campaign was full of such poor arguments, I could never vote for it. I don't associate myself with bollocks.

Swedes2 · 05/05/2011 20:44

PffftTheMagicDragon Channel 4 Fact Check established Lib Dems would benefit from a switch to AV see here for a roundup of the accuracy of AV claims and counterclaims

I voted no to AV.

FourFingeredKitkat · 05/05/2011 20:43

It's going to be a "No", isn't it?

GypsyWillow · 05/05/2011 20:42

Have just been and voted no, everyone I know has also voted no. Not really a random sample but i'm wondering if the yes campaign stands a chance? polls also seem to suggest that the result will be in favour of no change.

I'm with jenny60 though - voting is such a wonderful thing!

feralgirl · 05/05/2011 20:42

Voted yes as I feel I have a duty to disagree with anything that David Cameron says and the "choose between bullet proff vests/ life support for babies and AV" posters really pissed me off.

Both systems are rubbish but I think FPTP is a bit more rubbish than AV. The question is craply worded; it should be whether you want to vote for it to stay as it is or change the system and then decide what it should be changed to in the unlikely event that the yes vote wins.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 05/05/2011 20:28

MrsGuyofGisbourne, "Felt aa bit sorry for the LibDemDems who were slaughtered, but they were exposed as being in it for their own gain."

Ahem, what do you think the Tories are in FPTP for then? As if any of the parties are in it for the love of god and the country's soul?

sorky · 05/05/2011 20:22

I was torn....

I voted NO on the basis that the LibDem's were cheeky fuckers for thinking they could get into bed with the Torys and then the first thing they do is try to change the system so they stand a better chance of winning.

That and it's nowhere near PR, which is the only option for change

zanz1bar · 05/05/2011 19:48

Yes, YEs, YES.

jenny60 · 05/05/2011 19:42

I voted yes, but even if I hadn't I still would have enjoyed the whole process as ever. I love voting and think of the suffragists/suffragettes every time I cast a ballot.

jenny60 · 05/05/2011 19:41

conculainey: I sympathise with your not wanting to vote for Sinn Fein or any other party with terrorist links, but on the other hand, parties like Alliance get a chance under AV in NI: Naomi Long would not have been elected under FPTP.

Rohanda · 05/05/2011 19:39

So many good arguments on either side, I had to google "What would Tony Benn do?"

And it was a Yes. So that's what it just was.

teahouse · 05/05/2011 19:28

I've just voted YES

edam · 05/05/2011 19:11

The opinion polls suggest the 'no' campaign will win by a country mile.

Swedes, that Ch4 thing sounds about right - Lib Dems will scoop the majority of second preferences by posing as all things to all men. Except that now we've seen what they actually do when they are in power, maybe that will change...

GiddyPickle · 05/05/2011 18:57

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 05/05/2011 18:55

solo - it will not give them more of chance to get in.

They are a smaller party and they will be eliminated quickly (on a national level)

This is part of a wider issue in that (as I have said on another thread) - if the BNP are getting in on votes, then they deserve to be in. I think that they are just about the lowest form of political life, but if they get the votes, they get the votes.
Using a voting system to artificially keep a party down is a silly idea - they need to be eliminated through education at a ground root level.

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