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AV or not ?

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theoldbrigade · 20/04/2011 19:00

Thoughts please.

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clouty · 23/04/2011 10:23

BTW, AV will not cost £130 million, as the No campaign states. £90 million has already been spent. Yet another example of politicians spinning.

Some of the votes for the winning candidate will indeed be second, or even third choices. I know that every election I have liked one candidate best, and there would be another one or two that were not bad, IMHO, but there's always some that in my opinion are dangerous. So if my not so bad candidate got elected with the help of my second or third choice, that would be entirely fine with me, so long as the one that was dangerous couldn't get my support, which they can't, of course.

Prolesworth · 23/04/2011 10:23

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jenny60 · 23/04/2011 10:19

Proles: would you vote yes for PR?

Prolesworth · 23/04/2011 10:16

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clouty · 23/04/2011 10:10

Politicians say anything to get votes now. But if a candidate went hard line right or left to win over the BNP or British Communist Party, they'd loose my vote, so it may not be a helpful tactic for them.

I'm cheating, I posted this on another AV thread:

The Yes campaign is not as rich as the NO campaign. The Yes campaign has published it's funding sources, the NO campaign refuses to follow suit.

AV is not that complicated. The Electoral Commission explain it in a video at the bottom of this page

First past the post was fine while we just had the Whigs or the Tories to vote for. Nowadays there may be as many as ten candidates on a ballot paper. We need AV so that parliament better reflects the will of the people. At the moment MP's can be elected with 30% of the vote, leaving 60% of the vote unrepresented in the constituency.

Australia, with AV, has had less hung parliaments than we have here with first past the post.

If AV is good enough for party leadership elections, it's good enough for us plebs.

You don't have to give a second, third or fourth choice, if you don't want to. You can just vote for one candidate, if there's only one candidate you like.

GiddyPickle · 22/04/2011 23:14

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Missingfriendsandsad · 22/04/2011 18:53

Oh dear - no giddy the small parties don't have the power to be king makers, but people who vote for all parties can be kingmakers in the final round, that's all - a bit like being able to watch the FA cup final even though your team isn't in it, and support one of the teams. Under first past the post, you aren't allowed to watch any further matches.

HHLimbo · 22/04/2011 18:45

haha bmb, direct extrapolation to hitler? You are a one-woman godwins law. Grin

But yes, AV is a system where more than 50% of people get to elect the winning candidate (rather than 30% now). Therefore, more happiness :)

MPs will represent more of their constituents, so we could also reasonably expect better policies that suit more people. Really AV is essential if we are to continue calling ourselves a democracy.

bemybebe · 22/04/2011 17:23

HHLimbo "so Vote for AV, vote for happiness"

Goodness, the only thing that guarantees "happiness" is a heroin injection. Everything else is hard work without any guarantees. Any system can produce Hitler given the right circumstances.

theoldbrigade · 22/04/2011 17:21

Exactly GiddyPickle ! Could not agrree more .

If it were PR then I would have no problem in knowing where to put my cross but this to me is just a panacea to the Lib Dems.

A total waste of true political debate and money.

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GiddyPickle · 22/04/2011 16:49

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HHLimbo · 22/04/2011 16:43

Actually it is about moderates Vs 'loonies' and extreme parties. Under AV, where a candidate has to get over 50% of the votes to get elected, extreme parties and loonie parties are eliminated immediately. They have no chance under AV (but do have a small chance with FPTP).

So a vote for AV is a vote against extreme parties, and a vote for more representative MPs.

More people are happier under AV.
so Vote for AV, vote for happiness :)

IngridBergman · 22/04/2011 14:13

Good-oh Smile That is the kind of win-win that does it for me!

GiddyPickle · 22/04/2011 13:58

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IngridBergman · 22/04/2011 13:41

Yes, because according to The BBC's Party by party guide which I presume is fairly impartial and is also VERY easy to understand (even I got it and politics washes right over me normally) the only people against it are the Tories, the BNP and the communists.

I think that says it all really. I'm proud to do anything that hacks off David sodding Cameron or Nick bastard Griffin.

GiddyPickle · 22/04/2011 13:20

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jenny60 · 22/04/2011 13:15

I'm always happy to have an important political debate to follow and I will LOVE the countdown and analysis that evening Smile

GiddyPickle · 22/04/2011 13:13

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jenny60 · 22/04/2011 13:13

An estimated 98% of the audience at the live Today programme this morning claimed to have already decided how to vote. I wonder which way?

jenny60 · 22/04/2011 13:11

We've had absolutely nothing in my mainly m-c area. Has anyone seen any polls about how it might go?

GiddyPickle · 22/04/2011 13:00

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Prunnhilda · 22/04/2011 12:36

Noddy if you look at who's involved in promoting the No vote, you see why it's getting coverage in the media all the time.

noddyholder · 22/04/2011 12:32

I am amazed at all the NO coverage in thepress and on TV when virtually everyone I have spoken to is a YES!

jenny60 · 22/04/2011 12:31

The bottom line for me re compulsory voting is that it really doesn't create a more engaged or politically literate electorate. If it did, I'd probably support it.

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