Warm words from Cameron on immigration

Soa re we calling all our citizens back from other countries if we're closing our borders then? becuaase I can name a few wasters currently slumming in about Europe we could definitely survive without... and a fair few elderly people in the warmer climes whose costs could come back and drain our NHS....

I am not up for leaving EU anyway though; given the legislation that is up for removal, and what could be done if there was no recourse to the EU (such as equality legislation and the SEN right to education) then no ta.

Most of the Pplish immigrants DH worked with have long gone back anyhow, had enough.

chibi

Then what is the fuss from the right wing (Immigration watch, UKIP, Tories etc) are they misinformed or just scapegoating.

I will admit to some ignorance on this subject (some would say on any subject) as although I was born in London's East End I have lived in the "white bread" area of Home Counties for many years.

I would assume so

I am from a Commonwealth country, if any country's citizens would get any privileges, mine would, however we don't

chibi

*Quite possibly there is no ridiculous tax credit system because jobs pay a living wage and house prices are not inflated to the point of insanity

likewise CB for £10 per month- how does that fit with cost of living etc there? Does it have the same buying power there that £20 per week CB does here?*

Spot on.

chibi

Thank you for your post. Is the visa situation and being unable to claim benefits applicable to all non EU immigrants?.

**Maybe if we had a policy of no non EU immigrant being able to claim any benefits until two years of tax had been paid, no dependants except husband/wife/children.

No non EU immigrants without a job to go to and a sponsor or a bond of say £50,000 against costs to the state, returnable in two years.**

the work visa i came here on said clearly that i was not eligible for any benefits, and my work visa was specifically for that job, so if i was fired or quit, i would have had to leave and then obtain another visa in order to legally stay.

i would have not been eligible for HB, JSA, IS, council housing etc. possibly if i were homeless there may have been some sort of hardship emergency type fund. or i may have just had to live rough

non eu people cannot just decide to stay legally without a job and a work visa that their employer obtains on their behalf. nor can they drag their whole family along with them for the ride

for non-eu people it is not as easy as you might think to legally come stay and work in the UK

often some 3rd world immigrants start off in another EU country but do not get work and after 5 years' have to leave (Holland for example). They come here and then get given housing and benefits but again do not work but they seem to be able to get away with it where as they don't in other EU countries.

This irks me. I don't mind if they come to work but I do get annoyed when they keep on having children and do not make any contribution.

I think it is wrong that they jump the housing queue etc and it is putting a strain on our infrastructure. I live in the South East.

As much as I hate to agree with LFN she has a point although put in a nasty spiteful way.

The infrastructure in the UK is under immense pressure and we really really dont need anymore strain on it.

Maybe if we had a policy of no non EU immigrant being able to claim any benefits until two years of tax had been paid, no dependants except husband/wife/children.

No non EU immigrants without a job to go to and a sponsor or a bond of say £50,000 against costs to the state, returnable in two years.

Genuine asylum seekers no problem AND the immigration authorities acting in a decent and humane way not like (as some reports have shown) as high handed bullies.

The indigenous population is not being racist for objecting to incomers jumping council housing queues based upon need whilst others can be on the housing list for years.

The BNP and others organisations like it have been pushed back under their rocks but the Tory cuts will begin to bite in earnest in the near future and immigrants will become the scapegoats (as the Tories want) we need to show that immigration is a benefit (as it is) but also understand that in some places the (God help me for using this expression) white working class feels under siege in their own communities and abandoned by the political elite.

Ilovemydog -

The Sunday Times is reporting today that Ken Clarke is examining plans to drop charges for minor offences against immigrants if they agree to return to their country of origin; repeated non payment of traffic violation fines was specifically mentioned.

Agree, Crystal.

I think the problem is that there has been a very sudden influx of foreigners over the last 5-10 years, especially into London, and probably other large cities, and this fast paced change has affected the cultural dynamics of urban society.

It's well known that people don't like change anyway and it takes time for newcomers to be accepted and assimilated, especially if their traditions, language, mode of dress, way of life and even their moral codes are different.

It is especially difficult in a recession because people have very real financial anxieties and can feel threatened by what they see as demands placed on our institutions and welfare services by people who have not invested in our traditions or been part of our heritage.

What we can do is throw all our rubbish in the sea and make it into an artificial island. I think they did something like that in Japan.

Stephen Fry. He's another one.

There's no more room in the south of England, which is where everyone wants to live.

Clegg, Boris Johnston, loads of people in public life have wafted over here at some time in their previous lives. Where would we be without them. Einstein. Brontes.

Come back, Chibi. You can share my swan.

If you are white British and your name ends in -son, then you have probably come from Scandinavia. If it begins with De or Di, then you might be from France, Italy, Spain, etc. If you hail from the Southern Mediterranean, you could have Arab blood.

The Romans brought people here from the four corners of the world, and before that we weren't even an island, so people just walked here from Africa. We're all immigrants, migrants, emigrants ... All one big family.

Quite possibly there is no ridiculous tax credit system because jobs pay a living wage and house prices are not inflated to the point of insanity

likewise CB for £10 per month- how does that fit with cost of living etc there? Does it have the same buying power there that £20 per week CB does here?

oh fuckles I was going to stay away

bad immigrant baaaaad baaaad immigrant

Most immigrants have come from the EU and we have reciprocal arrangements

Correct. Except most other EU countries don't have such a gold plated system like ours. My OH comes from a EU country. I think where she's from, their equivalent of child benefit is like £10 a month. And the other countries I know about, their equivalent of JSA is time limited and reduces over time. So if you haven't found anything after say 2 years, it's gone.

I can't think of any other EU country with the equivalent of the ludicrous tax credit system either.

Oh no I'm marrying an immigrant in a couple of weeks

Bet it's one of those sham marriages!

I agree with Cameron that certain of our British population have learnt to live off welfare benefits rather than accept work, that the migrants now do. We should be making our own people work for a living. There is always some paid or voluntary work available.

Arf @ the scum/good immigrant dichotomy

it's funny no matter how many times facts like people here on work visas generally have NO RECOURSE TO BENEFITS or most immigrants have come from the EU and we have reciprocal arrangements, so you could go to Germany and get whatever they get coming here are brought up, it never seems to even make a dent in the belief that the scavenging hordes of scum are at our door ready to pilfer and ravage

I can't be arsed anymore; I suppose that makes me a bad immigrant

'Scaryteacher How on earth did you manage to get a polish person with a russian accent??' The part of Poland she comes from is right up against the Russian border, and Russian was taught in school as well as Polish, hence the murderously strong Russian accent.

She has a degree, and was a customs official, but when Schengen was signed, no need for her job any more, so she and her family came to Brussels to find work. She works bloody hard and worked for dh for two years before I moved out here. She gets fresh brewed coffee, lunch, picked up from and taken back to the tram and I pay her when I'm away as well and I pay her more than the going rate (just so you don't think I exploit her).

People who commit crimes, abuse the benefit system, can't be arsed to contribute to society in any sort of way are lazy sods who are of no benefit to society. Unfortunately, if they are not from this country and behaving like this there should be the option to send them back!

We are becoming vastly overpopulated, screwed financially, and it does concern me that 1 in 8 people in this country are not British. The overpopulation is already having an effect on employment for the young.

I would love to send some of the little shits who think it is fun to vandalise and steal or hurt people somewhere else but if they are born here, can't do anything. However if it is an immigrant then we should be able to.

I am fed up with scum immigrants getting the attention rather than the good immigrants who do learn our language, accept our culture, work hard etc. Let's allow hard working people in but if that person goes and kills a kid then they should be kicked out.

We need to have a tough system like Australia.

I am fed up with genuine people, whether immigrants are not, getting a crap deal because of scum. People should be rewarded for being decent, not the opposite.

OP, you come across as ignorant and xenophobic. Being from 'immigrant stock' obviously doesn't stop you being a nasty person, does it?

Talking of kicking out economically worthless migrants who scrounge off the public purse - will this include Prince Philip? If it does then I might well reconsider my opposition to the proposals.