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Warm words from Cameron on immigration

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longfingernails · 14/04/2011 21:59

but what a shambles the immigration policy is.

The policy should be to rescind all rights to benefits, legal aid, etc. from every economically worthless migrant of the Labour years - including to dependents - to encourage them to emigrate; to leave the EU so we can control EU migration; introduce work permits, breaking the automatic link with residency; and ditching the stupid quotas which are stopping lawyers, professors, and surgeons coming to the UK.

Immigration is a good thing if it is the right sort of immigration. If it is bogus asylum seekers, extremists, and those who fundamentally disagree with the tenets of British society but are happy to scrounge off it (generally speaking, the sort of people the Labour party went out of its way to let in, because it could bank their votes) then immigration is worthless. If it is high-net worth individuals, entrepreneurs, and scientists, then we should welcome them without putting silly obstacles in their way.

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chocolatecoveredlissielou · 17/04/2011 22:43

am going to hide this thread now, my blood pressure cant take it!

chocolatecoveredlissielou · 17/04/2011 22:42

LFN, you are totally right. the NHS should definately be privatised. all these feckless wasters thinking that they shouldnt have to choose between food and treatment for medical conditions, especially when there is a deficit. which was totally brought about by the labour government, after all, britain is the only country in the world struggling.

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ArthurPewty · 17/04/2011 22:39

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longfingernails · 17/04/2011 22:38

How about the UK NHS versus a German or Singapore style insurance model? Why always compare to America, rather than countries with better average health outcomes?

The NHS is a massive mistake. It embeds socialism at the heart of our public spending. Providing healthcare free at the point of use is just civilised. Having the government deliver that healthcare is monumentally stupid.

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longfingernails · 17/04/2011 22:36

I am bitterly disappointed that the government is rowing back on privatising the NHS. The lack of productivity in the NHS is terrifying.

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ArthurPewty · 17/04/2011 22:35

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longfingernails · 17/04/2011 22:35

No other country in the world has copied the NHS model. Why?

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longfingernails · 17/04/2011 22:34

The NHS versus the French single-payer system? Just as simple - the French system, with more choice and state-funded private provision, wins every time.

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ArthurPewty · 17/04/2011 22:32

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newwave · 17/04/2011 22:19

Chocolate, I thank you :o

newwave · 17/04/2011 22:19

If we are going to violate the sanctity of the voting booth, why not let Labour voters pay off the National Debt over the next 100 years?

Those of us sensible enough not to believe Gordon Brown's fairy economics ("getting rid of boom and bust") could then have lower taxes.

Confused have I missed something Confused

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longfingernails · 17/04/2011 22:01

If we are going to violate the sanctity of the voting booth, why not let Labour voters pay off the National Debt over the next 100 years?

Those of us sensible enough not to believe Gordon Brown's fairy economics ("getting rid of boom and bust") could then have lower taxes.

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chocolatecoveredlissielou · 17/04/2011 21:59

newwave Sun 17-Apr-11 19:54:56
*"I think it would be better if we threw out all the unpleasant people"

I too would like to deport the Tory party but I think there are international laws against the dumping of toxic waste*

I am not commenting on the thread, but I would just like to say that I nearly wet myself at this!! brilliant!

newwave · 17/04/2011 21:54

LeonieDelt

As an American, what is the attraction to you of living in the UK rather than the USA ?.

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newwave · 17/04/2011 20:15

nooka

UK immigration policy is pretty similar to most other Western countries (Canada, Australia etc) on the non EU side. Countries that limit immigration are foolish as immigration has been shown to bring net benefit.

I suspect that depends on the skills of the immigrant tbh.

newwave · 17/04/2011 19:54

I think it would be better if we threw out all the unpleasant people

I too would like to deport the Tory party but I think there are international laws against the dumping of toxic waste :o

nooka · 17/04/2011 19:48

I think it would be better if we threw out all the unpleasant people.

UK immigration policy is pretty similar to most other Western countries (Canada, Australia etc) on the non EU side. Countries that limit immigration are foolish as immigration has been shown to bring net benefit.

newwave · 17/04/2011 19:42

LeonieDelt

never have bothered with a british apssport, and why should you need to.

ArthurPewty · 17/04/2011 19:32

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PeachyAndTheArghoNauts · 17/04/2011 19:28

Right well that's good (was really to LFN though).

An awful lot of sad limitations on British people though would be gained by leaving EU; I have so many friends abroad within the EU. has enhanced their lives considerably but tehyc ertainly don;t all have regular work there.

newwave · 17/04/2011 19:27

Jaquelinehyde

That is a fucking appalling story.

I have read many articles about the actions of the immigration authorities and their attitude being to be as obstructive and to reject as many applications as possible. Your story brings home the truth about them.

newwave · 17/04/2011 19:21

Peachy

Soa re we calling all our citizens back from other countries if we're closing our borders then?

I am certainly NOT advocating forced repatriation of anyboby already here.

Jaquelinehyde · 17/04/2011 19:19

Yes it is newwave non eu immigrants have no recourse to public funds unless they are granted asylum or leave to remain. This includes recieving any help for their children.

This would be fine if the home office dealt with applications in a quick and efficent manner. However, they don't and this then leads to people being forced to work illegally or commit benefit fraud.

My partners mother fled Zimbabwe 11 years ago after being beaten on two seperate occassions for daring to work on a white owned farm. She was advised if she remained in the country her family would be targeted and killed. They couldn't afford for the whole family to leave so she left and came to the UK.

She seeked asylum immediately when she arrived it took them 10 years to finalise her case. She was forced to work illegally as there was no support for her, when I met her and saw how she was living I could have cried.

She left her home and family behind to look for help expecting to get it, when she left her youngest child was 3, she also had an 8 year old daughter and 15 year old son!!! Her eldedst son (my dp) was 18 when she left, he followed her a year later and came on a work visa. She didn't see any of her other children for the full 10 years, in December last year she was re-united with her two youngest children now aged 13 and 18 and they now live here with her, she still hasn't seen her other son who is now 25 and living alone in Zimbabwe. She is not allowed to return to Zimbabwe ever again, if she does her asylum will be withdrawn.

This is the side of immigration people don't see.