Voted Tory or Libdem? Dont moan about the cuts...

Three Tory views of the cuts (or "cuts").

1. The cuts haven't gone far enough. And they won't have done until real suffering is experienced by the various hate-figures I have invented in my head (public sector workers, the poor in general (or "scroungers"), immigrants). PS - Daddy didn't love me.

1. The cuts aren't really cuts at all but an illusion and therefore "cuts". I believe this because nominal public spending will be higher at the end of the Parliament than at the beginning. PS - I do not understand inflation and am basically innumerate.

1. The cuts need cause no real pain at all. They are only doing so because evil left-wing councils are deliberately cutting real services people need (schools, hospitals, police, Sure Start, care for the elderly) instead of all the non-jobs that most people in the public sector actually do (five-a-day co-ordinators, community cycling convenors, etc.). PS - I am quite thick.

LFN . Not that any you've listed would do much damage to the deficit.

Did you see that Fraser Nelson of The Spectator described the cuts as "embarrassingly small"? Radio 4's More or Less looked into his claims and broadly agreed with him. Makes you wonder what's going on.

LFN, so what is the answer regarding housing benefit. Are all claimants of housing benefit scroungers?

I voted Tory, and I am entitled to moan about the cuts.

They are not nearly deep enough. We may be cutting enough to balance the books, but by cutting more (especially in benefits), we could have had cuts in income tax! Just think of all the waste that is still there!

Scroungers can still get £400 a week on housing benefit. We still give billions to the EU. We dole out money out like water to failed states like Pakistan. Public sector workers will still get gold-plated pensions, even after the changes suggested to the coalition by Labour's John Hutton are implemented. There are still people paid by the taxpayer working full-time for unions. There is so much more that should be cut!

'in the manner of an ill informed adolescent'

Pitt the Younger seemed a real sweetie.

"no man ... ever induldged more freely or happilly in that playful facetiousness which gratifies all without wounding any" William Wilberforce.

He started out as a Liberal (Whig) and got his seat in parliament through Patronage? Only to turn Tory (he called himself 'New Tory') and then get rid of the 'patronage' route to power.

So many parallels with today's politics. We should start a political history thread - I think.

Or didn't you mean to make such a ludicrously sweeping generalisation, in the manner of an ill informed adolescent?

I agree, William Pitt The Younger was a right bastard.

Why is anyone surprised at what the Tories are doing ?

Its what the Tories do

I think the ones who really shouldn't be moaning are those who chose not to vote or instead voted on the strength of 3 television debates ....

That would be the Labour party who left a note saying "Sorry, there is no money left". So had they stayed in power how would they have got along without making any cuts?

they are making cuts to dig us out of the very large hole the Labour party created

Earthworm . To be fair the OP was not (quite) her first post. We'll have to wait and see - but I suspect newwave can rest easy.

Welcome to MN, Amanda277.

I'm glad you came along because we have been short on 'bastard Tory cuts' threads lately.

To be fair, you are original in that you haven't worried too much about the nitty gritty, just a general grumble about everything and nothing left out - bastard mega rich, check - won't somebody think of the children, check - raise spectre of Thatcher, check - end of the NHS, check.

I was initially worried that you hadn't mentioned tuition fees, but you addressed that right enough. Libraries?

Because of course....Labour didn't promise any cuts at all? Oh wait.....they did! In fact they promised virtually the same amount of cuts just over a slightly longer period. So in effect they'd be just prolonging the pain.

I guess then Labour also don't care about the working class and only the mega rich eh?

as the labour party also promised cuts, surely then almost no-one that voted is entitled to complain?

although anyone can still complain about the nitty-gritty.

I don't think I've heard any tories moaning about them - they all seem to be busy telling us how great it is that DC is taking us in hand.

If you voted LibDem I think you're entitled to moan though, since they are breaking election pledges all over the shop in their desperation to be in power.