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Is there such a thing as "severe poverty" in the UK?

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Niceguy2 · 25/03/2011 23:45

I'm being serious. I'm not talking about poor. Obviously there are plenty of people who either are poor or think they are. But I mean severe poverty.

I just read the Save the Children child poverty report which claims that 1.6million children live in severe poverty. And they define "severe poverty" as a family of 1 child who has an income of less than £7000 (or 2 kids with income < £12k).

But a quick tot up of benefits tells me that a family with 1 child would get the following each year:

Income Support £3412
Tax Credits £2850
Child Benefit £1055
Total 7317

And that's before you take into account housing benefit, council tax, free school dinners etc etc. So to me, no UK family should fall into that definition.

Then the report goes on to say they say someone is living in poverty if basic necessities are not met such as not "having enough shoes", not being able to pay for "home contents insurance" or children missing out on "having friends round" or "school trips".

When I hear "poverty" I think of children living in the streets with no food, not being unable to go on a school trip!

So given all that, is there such a thing as severe poverty in the UK? Or is it as I suspect that some families just can't manage their money?

I'm not trying to argue that £7k is a lot of money. I'm just saying that if that's the definition and the state gives you more, then surely there isn't such a thing?

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swallowedAfly · 29/03/2011 21:59

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 21:52

guess it goes to show though how the system isn't cut and dried, and if you have low literacy levels, and don't know where to turn for help (or can't afford to get to the places that help can apparently be found!), you could end up stuck in a situation.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 21:49

probably SAF. I think the general rule is "you have a house - go and live in it, come back to us when you are no longer able to live there" (ie you're evicted or you've eventually sold it).

swallowedAfly · 29/03/2011 21:43

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 16:46

all sources were very clear that as he (well "we" the first 2 times, which was actually more than once within each year as we explored different avenues) had suitable housing, and he owned it there was absolutely no way he could claim housing benefit.

The only way they would have done it is we'd actually got the eviction notice from the mortgage company, until that time it was a no go.

swallowedAfly · 29/03/2011 16:37

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 16:14

we were upfront too! Honestly. Problem was it was "suitable" (bathroom wall and other problems aside) The bathroom was an odd one - I think the water "flow" over the wal was so great that actually it never really got damp - was most odd Confused . It was deemed to be suitable for living in, and it was exH's house, so nothing they could do for him.

They did suggest (in 2009 - different circumstances) that if I was really not wanting him to be coming home so soon after his pyschotic episode, that I should move out with the DS's and they would pay housing benefit for me so that he could return home............but they wouldn't put him somewhere for the time being until I was truly comfortable with it. That was with the full weight and support of the CMHT and pyschiatric hospital behind us! (we turned them down on that offer - it had been a hard enough 3 weeks without then dragging my boys out of their home, and going through the hassle of moving house myself!!)

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 14:45

exH had a mortgage and a property in his name and that was that. They didn't want to know, CAB, Welfare Rights and the council all said the same thing.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 14:43

well that's not what we were told on several occasions. (2005, 2008 and last year).

NormanTebbit · 29/03/2011 14:41

I remember seeing a programme in which a teenager was caring for her mother in a room in a hostel. Mum was dying of cancer. Beside herself with worry about what was to happen to daughter when she died (in a few months)

I don't understand why it is important to dismiss peoples experiences of poverty in the UK because there is worse in another country

swallowedAfly · 29/03/2011 14:40

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 14:38

but you can't get housing benefit if you own a house! That's why exH is still stuck in a 3 bedroom terrace he doesn't need! He can't just move out as he'll get no help with his rent.

goingroundthebend4 · 29/03/2011 14:37

bonsoir

I almost agree with you .But think there is some leaway in your statement
If a child's family is so poor that his/her experience of life is going to be severely curtailed in comparison with the experience of life of the majority of the population, the chances for that child of growing up to fulfill his/her physical and mental potential within the society he/she inhabits are very low indeed.

I think a lot of the above can be down to parents attitudes to.

Yes we would be classed as living in poverty but I go out of my way to make sure that dc experaince as much as possiable.I am fortunate to live witihn travelling distance of London and try to make sure the dc experiance all that it offers for free .Also local museums as well .

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NormanTebbit · 29/03/2011 13:59

TSC - there is a wealth of difference between a caring parent/s making the best of it and loving their kids, and the neglect others face. Your kids will be fine and they will be proud of what you did when they raise their own families.

NormanTebbit · 29/03/2011 13:54

Funny that no one ever asks Sir Fred Goodwin to justify the money he gets from the tax payer nor what he spends his money on.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 13:45

equally SaF - you may not be able to get out of being a homeowner. We certainly couldn't, and exH can't now either, the problems that need fixing in the house (including a wet - no not damp - actually wet! - bathroom wall) have got progessively worse and no-one has wanted to touch it. The only way out in that situation is repossession, in which case you will have to wait until you are actually kicked out (and are homeless) before you will be homed.

TheSecondComing · 29/03/2011 13:44

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 29/03/2011 13:38
sakura · 29/03/2011 13:35

Absolutely agree.

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