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Is there such a thing as "severe poverty" in the UK?

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Niceguy2 · 25/03/2011 23:45

I'm being serious. I'm not talking about poor. Obviously there are plenty of people who either are poor or think they are. But I mean severe poverty.

I just read the Save the Children child poverty report which claims that 1.6million children live in severe poverty. And they define "severe poverty" as a family of 1 child who has an income of less than £7000 (or 2 kids with income < £12k).

But a quick tot up of benefits tells me that a family with 1 child would get the following each year:

Income Support £3412
Tax Credits £2850
Child Benefit £1055
Total 7317

And that's before you take into account housing benefit, council tax, free school dinners etc etc. So to me, no UK family should fall into that definition.

Then the report goes on to say they say someone is living in poverty if basic necessities are not met such as not "having enough shoes", not being able to pay for "home contents insurance" or children missing out on "having friends round" or "school trips".

When I hear "poverty" I think of children living in the streets with no food, not being unable to go on a school trip!

So given all that, is there such a thing as severe poverty in the UK? Or is it as I suspect that some families just can't manage their money?

I'm not trying to argue that £7k is a lot of money. I'm just saying that if that's the definition and the state gives you more, then surely there isn't such a thing?

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swallowedAfly · 30/03/2011 18:34

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Jogon · 30/03/2011 18:23

Alice.

I'm sure you are genuine. But do I think you should be better off than working people?

No. I don't. I think work should always pay so that means raising wages not necessarily cutting welfare but it does mean encouraging and helping people to find work and work that pays.

Jogon · 30/03/2011 18:21

Some posters have said they PERSONALLY would be better off booting their husbands out.

That is a fact.

I have commented that that isn't right and that single parents have it RELATIVELY okay compared with working couple son very low wages.
Quite how that makes me a " judgemental nasty piece of work stirring hatred " I don;t know but if it makes you happy to sling it, fire away.

aliceliddell · 30/03/2011 18:19

so glad you think Lubberlich (hi!) and I are genuinely in need. naturally, we will be only to glad to undergo any humiliation I mean tests in order to prove that we and our children are 'genuine' to demonstrate our honesty. Has it never occurred to you lot that every time you mention the word "genuine" it raises the possibility that we're not? Worth it to make sure you're not squandering money though, especially now the con-dems cleared up the (bailed out) bonusses and the tax evaders....

swallowedAfly · 30/03/2011 18:15

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usualsuspect · 30/03/2011 18:01

Always the single parents that get the brunt of the benefit bashing

pisses me right off

well played Mr Cameron .....

Jogon · 30/03/2011 17:52

Lubberlich, all people are saying is that in some cases people really are better off on benefits and single.

That's all. I think that minimum wage should be raised considerably and people like yourself who are genuinely in need should be better supported.

lubberlich · 30/03/2011 17:48

God there is some total cock written here.
I am a one of those single mothers on benefits that some morons despise so much.
My DP left us before my son was born.
When my son turned one I was diagnosed with cancer.
Life is VERY VERY fucking hard.
And made so much harder by downright fuckwittery from people who haven't a sodding clue what they are on about but who don't hesitate to shove the boot in.

swallowedAfly · 30/03/2011 17:41

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mamatomany · 30/03/2011 17:39

I'd rather we raised the minimum wage than slashed the benefits or got a hold of food and fuel inflation.

swallowedAfly · 30/03/2011 17:37

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Jogon · 30/03/2011 17:33

Which takes us neatly back to the thread on The Cuts and why the Welfare state needs a serious and drastic shake up.

TheSecondComing · 30/03/2011 17:30

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Jogon · 30/03/2011 17:28

Like I said.

The REAL poor are the working poor. Single mothers get it relatively cushy. And they wonder why so many kids are being born to single mothers?

TheSecondComing · 30/03/2011 17:27

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mamatomany · 30/03/2011 17:27

Oh yes i'd forgotten about school dinners, another tenner there, plus £24 a month in healthy eating vouchers it all adds up.

TheSecondComing · 30/03/2011 17:27

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mamatomany · 30/03/2011 17:25

I worked out that if I left DH we would get £197 pw in tc, £65 pw in IS, £250 in a month CB and then £135 HB and £30 CTB, so nearly £500 A WEEK in benefits as a mother of 4.
Honestly you can see why people raise an eyebrow.

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