Well done the Tories

Its astonishing to me how people can decide that an 'illiterate' immigrant who can't speak English also can't read or write in their own language, or has no qualifications and no work experience without ever speaking to one.

There are many poles, portuguese, indian, pakistani, Thai, Chinese people in my town who are very highly qualified, strong and determined business people, qualified and experienced tradesmen as well as students more qualified than the grunting english scum that hate them without any thought or understanding. Within a few months of being here many are learning English enough to get by when the English versions abroad are still shouting 'WHERE. IS. THE . BEACH? to the spaniards in the town they have moved to.

A local farm who was staffed by Polish workers supposedly doing work that unemployed english workers said 'you wouldn't catch me doing' of were earning £1000 a week, and were, in fact, some of Poland's best agricultural graduates learning, I would guess, how bloody stupid the English are at taking up obvious opportunities right under their nose.

Except as per the other link. In fact Labour's course had they have won would have been virtually the same. Only around a £2 billion difference.

So whilst you are entitled to your opinion as to whether or not the direction is correct. In actual fact, all parties are constrained by economic reality and would have had to make savage cuts. Luckily your imagination is not party to the same reality so you are free to imagine what you like!

newwave - what do you do for a living?

Interesting....you ask me not to forget how much time and money its taken to "repair the damage" of 18 years of Thatcher/Major rule yet start a thread berating the Tories who have been in power for less than a year who are trying to "repair the damage" done by thirteen years of Labour rule.

Of course you won't see the irony of your post. After all, Labour should be given as much time they want but the Tories should wave their magic wand eh?

Don't read the daily fail...

Agree LFN - our immigration/migration policy should be;
'Brain surgeon from Iran - welcome my friend - Somalian toothless granny with TB - on ya bike'

rofl

Agree LFN - our immigration/migration policy should be;
'Brain surgeon from Iran - welcome my friend - Somalian toothless granny with TB - on ya bike'

But what do you expect from Labour. I'm just thankful they got kicked out of power - hopefully never to return.

I also want more immigration - I disagree with the immigration cap.

I don't want the world's entire assortment of unskilled losers to end up on benefits in Britain though. That is what Labour encouraged.

LFN

I don't have a problem with immigration. In fact there's a VERY good case that we need more, given that our birthrate is on the decline.

However, the problem is that we needed targetted immigration. We needed to attract people with the right skills, just like in the way Australia have a points system and the US use different visa's like H1B.

What we ended up with under Labour was immigration based upon who was sneaky enough to get in the back of a lorry and utter the words "Asylum".

Unlike what the Daily Mail would have you believe, Immigrants don't travel across the world at great danger to themselves to take our benefits. They come to work. That's why they do the jobs our workshy won't.

And I support the idea that immigrant's should only be allowed to stay if they behave themselves. Not sure 20 years is fair but the principle is fine.

Niceguy2 No need for the patronising. I obviously mean that for all new immigrants, there should be a covenant - if they don't pay into the Exchequer, stay out of legal trouble, and integrate into British society (this last one being the hardest to enforce) then they should not be allowed to remain, regardless of "human rights" concerns. Of course, what to do with Labour's problem immigrants will remain a festering sore on the soul of British politics for the foreseeable future. British citizenship should not be granted to immigrants, or their children (even if born in Britain) until they comply with these covenants for 20 years.

I don't like the word chav, but aren't proud of having so many of them in Britain. We can't deport our own people, though Labour importing hundreds of thousands of foreign scroungers to join their number seems the height of stupidity. We need deeper benefit cuts and lower taxes to create new incentives to work, and opportunities to work - the culture of intergenerational worklessness has to be broken. Thankfully, IDS seems more than up to the task.

And Newwave, you know I love your anti-Tory venom. I love how it blinds you to little things like "reality", "facts" or "truth".

So it's ALL the Tories fault. I mean they've what....been in power for nearly a year! Surely in that time they should have used that magic wand to fix the country's woes.

I mean Labour were in power for 13 years and didn't fix the NHS nor eradicate child poverty. The poor still existed, the disabled still didn't get the support they feel they deserve. Oh and let's not forget the rich under Labour's watch got richer!

So let's ignore all that Labour didn't manage to achieve in thirteen years of throwing money at the problem and expect the Tories to fix it in less than one!

Because that's fair..........

My rule of thumb: if any immigrant family isn't a net contributor to the Exchequer, year on year on year for at least 20 years after they come, then they aren't worth having in the UK.

It's a bit of a bugger then if they've not been in the UK for 20 years then....

Plus what about if the family are not immigrants but just your garden variety chavs? If they haven't been a "net contributor" for at least 20 years, are they worth having in the UK?

I think you are right longfinger nails. Labour wasted so much money whilst in power. It was the same in the late 70s with the winter of discontent.

also their immigration policy has not helped.

Of course, there is every difference in the world between a courteous Polish plumber and the less salubrious immigrants happy to live it large on benefits. I think everyone except the Labour party would be glad to get rid of the latter - but I would also strictly limit the number of the former, though I admit it is a harder argument to make.

I sympathise with that view, but don't agree entirely. A small number of "striving" immigrants, happy to get on their bikes, is essential - but only a limited number.

In any case, European migration is slightly different.

One of the biggest problems with Labour's non-European immigrants is that they simply do not accept the manifest superiority of Western culture and values over that of their native lands.

LFN - I disagree with you on that.

Firstly because many of the eastern European immigrants are actually reasonably well educated - despite being happy enough to work as cleaners and builders here.

Secondly they are aspirational for their children (as are most immigrants). They dc's will be doctors, nurses and lawyers.

And thirdly many were young at a time when we had a demographic dip. If they and their children stay - they will help with our ageing 'baby-boomers' timebomb.

My rule of thumb: if any immigrant family isn't a net contributor to the Exchequer, year on year on year for at least 20 years after they come, then they aren't worth having in the UK.

Lovely.
some of you guys are true gems.

There is loads to say about unemployment, the bloody foreigners (the fact that I am one, cannot vote, yet still contribute, labour or lib/con), or your curses for the Tory voters. But I'd rather let you continue your little petty debate on your own.

Dreaming - you mean like the doctors who perform life saving operations? Dentists? Careworkers who do the work that ENGLISH people don't want to do? Immigration is an important part of a country's economy. The majority of immigrants who work pay tax.

I'm certain that if we still had a Labour government and they'd carried out their spending cuts, we would have a very similar number of unemployed.

You've spelt foreigners wrong dreaming. It's 'furriners'.

perhaps if labour hadn't let all the foreigners in there would be more jobs for the british. And let me think who was in power and got us into the dire position - LABOUR. would it really help if we were in the situation that greece and ireland are - as things look pretty bad there.

its unfortunate that in the good times, labour just recklessley spent with no thought for the future