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TUC National Demonstration Against Cuts

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OrangeBernard · 11/03/2011 19:24

Who's going? I've just booked my train tickets. Its my first protest, any advice or tips? Bit worried about kettling.

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adamschic · 27/03/2011 20:57

Happiestblond, have you used university though, that was subsidised by the tax payer so you were lucky, apologies if I am wrong about this. Everybody used public services to a certain extent.

Rosebud05 · 27/03/2011 20:56

No, it certainly isn't envy.

It's anger that it was the private banking sector that pissed their profits up the wall and had to be bailed out by the government and the public sector that is suffering.

Suggesting that people fit into static categories like the well off vs the poor and the unable vs the unwilling is very simplistic and not particularly helpful.

Nice to meet you too Paul Grin

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:56

My profession is writing about ethics (academia). As a Nozickean, Spencierian libertarian working on Auberon Herbert I think there is nothing more morally abhorrent than taxation.

RedbinD · 27/03/2011 20:55

Well said happiestblonde, its great to know that there are people like you about who would never take anything off of the state. Who needs things like roads, schools and hospitals. We'll all buy our own.

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:54

Yeah sorry jogon had a lot of wine and received my tax bill in one day.

I'm praying my DCs have DP's brain so get scholarships

wook · 27/03/2011 20:54

I beg your pardon happiestblonde did you actually just claim that sending your child to a state school was a form of child abuse?
Shock
Please tell me I misread that!

Glitterknickaz · 27/03/2011 20:54

morally criminal....

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:53

Tax avoidance is legal
Tax evasion is criminal.

studyinghard · 27/03/2011 20:53

Does anyone have any stats about how many people are unwilling vs unable to work?

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:53

pinkteddy - yes I have, therefore I think I should pay a flat tax rate which would be an equal amount of my income towards public services that I used an equal amount to everyone else in my area.

Glitterknickaz · 27/03/2011 20:53

Tax avoidance IS criminal.
I have been a taxpayer. I am still via VAT and one day I will be again, but I will not shirk my responsibility to contribute. Why the hell should Green et al be allowed to?

Glitterknickaz · 27/03/2011 20:52

Unfortunately Jogon it appears to be too difficult as we are getting trapped in that category.

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:51

Tax avoidance isnt criminal
Tax evasion is

Philip Green etc are perfectly right to avoid tax LEGALLY - why the bloody hell should he pay for the public sector pensions when he LEGALLY can avoid doing so? I do not resent him for a second.

Everytime someone takes out an ISA, fills in a Gift Aid form, they are 'avoiding' tax.

I believe taxation to be theft anyway and totally resent paying towards this bloated public sector and over-bearing, coercive state that takes away my freedom and forces me to subsidise people's lives. I would happily support the old and sick but the state should be a basic safety net, not one that pays for people to live in houses in city centres, pays for having children (CB), pays JSA past a few weeks, gives money not food/energy vouchers as JSA etc.

GOod work Philip Green, Vodafone etc.

Jogon · 27/03/2011 20:51

HB - even I think you're being a plonker now!

State education = childabuse?

I'll tell my gifted kids that.

Jogon · 27/03/2011 20:49

The trick is sifting the unable from the unwilling, surely?

Shouldn't be THAT difficult!

pinkteddy · 27/03/2011 20:48

right happiestblonde, I take it you have never used a leisure centre, library, had your bins emptied, had your streets cleaned, called an ambulance, been to your local park, visited A&E, visited your GP - I could go on....

Glitterknickaz · 27/03/2011 20:46

Therefore in a supposedly first world country it is acceptable to send the vulnerable to the wall, yes? Those who are unable to work as opposed to those that are unwilling?

southeastastra · 27/03/2011 20:44

it isn't envy is blantantly criminal

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:42

Whatever viable, perhaps £10k, not sure.

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:41

When I say this i do not mean banks that took tax payer funded bailouts:

Picking on bankers, for being successful, is disgusting envy politics. Just imagine another profession was picked: 'RECRUITMENT CONSULTANTS GET DISGUSTING BONUSES (true, used to do it) SO THE GOV HAS A 'RIGHT' TO TKAE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT'. How would people take that?

Paul88 · 27/03/2011 20:41

happiestblonde - should there be a personal allowance? Or should this flat rate start with the first £1 earned?

Paul88 · 27/03/2011 20:39

Um. who does work in the factories then? Do you? (I know there are no mines any more but there are some other places of manual labour.)

Let's hope you and your family never get ill, lose their jobs, etc.

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:39

FAIR TAX = FLAT TAX

southeastastra · 27/03/2011 20:39

dear lord

happiestblonde · 27/03/2011 20:38

Jogon and Xenia have been right throughout. It;s very, very wrong to me - almost child abuse - that I know MANY couples who are happy to go on holiday regularly, buy new cars etc yet not put their DCs into private education, whereas I make all possible sacrifices to make sure mine do/will.

I think I should get a tax break for that seeing as I take a huge burden off the (obscenely large, bloated, coercive) state