TUC National Demonstration Against Cuts

Hi glasnost - how's the weather in Italy? At least there's no 'capitalist smog' to worry about.

The UK is a democracy ruled by corporate interests who lean on policians to make laws conducive to them. Tax avoidance is tax evasion under any other name. It's Orwellian manipulative language to dupe us but methinks people will be duped no longer. General strike please.

Bullet - what makes me feel uncomfortable is this tendency to make 'moral judgements' on tax avoidance and to expect that others will comply because it's the 'right thing'.

The UK is a democracy, ruled by laws. If those laws nolonger reflect the majority view - fine they need changing. And possibly some tax avoidance laws will change.

As I've said earlier on this thread - all government use the tax system to incentivise certain behaviours. If companies take advantage of these - it's often what the government intended. Where it isn't, the tax law can be changed.

The March was a great success. Period. At last some fresh democratic air breezing through the capital. Makes a change from breathing fetid, cruel capitalist, polluted smog. The violent lot were probably agents provocateurs sent to stir up trouble. Happens everywhere.

Whence the general strike? Come on TUC. Pull your finger out and call one NOW.

I have been thinking about the comparison made between companies avoiding paying large proportions of their corporation tax and paying into a tax ISA and I can not see how they can compare. There is no expectation that a person saves via a bank or building society, or other scheme whereby tax would be paid on their savings. If people wish then can save via an ISA or even keep their money under the mattress at home. Or they can avoid saving altogether. So by using a non tax paying method of saving, they are avoiding paying additional tax. It would be like saying someone is a tax avoider because they buy cakes instead of biscuits.
If you wanted to make a comparison between corporation tax avoidance and ISAs, then it would be something akin to saying that a person was legally entitled to say to their employer "please take my gross wages and set aside a proportion of them to be placed into a non taxed saving scheme. I shall pay tax, NI contributions etc on the remainder of my gross wages".

"At least the Police did not kill or fracture anyones skull or attack a wheelchair user yesterday which makes an unexpected but nice change"

That's because there were a few off duty police on the march as well. Or, as one of the ones in uniform said to me when I commented on the cheerful and calm policing "It's my job next"

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Pass me on an objective report of these matters and I'll make a decision.

Try the media of every political persuasion and the youtube videos of Tomlinson being assaulted and the guy being dragged out of his wheelchair.

BTW, I have only ever voted LD (although that is unlikely to happen again until Clegg and Alexander are gone) except in 1997 so I have never been a member of the SWP or Class War

Passs me on an objective report of these matters and I'll make a decision.

No rabid illiterate SWP photocopied pamphlets though please.

moondog

Are you denying these incidents happened ? and also that no action has been taken against the perpetrators

Agree newwave. Also while I could never condone violence, I feel the students' glass smashing was very well targetted.

Ah yes Newwave, because their remit is of course to CRUSH THE PROLETARIAT.

Marvellous to hear HappiestBlonde's words of reason and intelligence slicing through all of this dross..

At least the Police did not kill or fracture anyones skull or attack a wheelchair user yesterday which makes an unexpected but nice change

I agree with huddspur. What I was part of yesterday was a wonderful thing, but the remaining image will be of the minority causing trouble, and that saddens me.

I support and cherish the right to protest but I don't think that the violence yesterday should be condoned.

Rose

Women didn't get the vote by saying 'would you mind terribly?'; it was very, very hard won by blood, sweat and tears.

And death.

Laptops to improve exam results and job chances, eh?

But what if the beneficiaries go and get jobs and pay taxes, so they're not actually 'free'?

That'll ruin jogan's simplistic thinking, that's what.

newwave, I keep thinking about the suffragetes every time I see/read something about the 'violence' in London yesterday.

Women didn't get the vote by saying 'would you mind terribly?'; it was very, very hard won by blood, sweat and tears.

But those whose frame of reference doesn't extend beyond the right wing press don't really think in those terms.

newwave, I agree.
Draghunting is more fun anyway.

Free laptops wook.

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6967216/Free-laptops-with-broadband-to-be-provided-to-250000-low-income-households.html

Steady on, Glitter, don't tell them it costs money or they'll have it privatisedby Tuesday.

Jogon who are all these benefits claimants you know? The ones you see in the Daily Mail? I wouldn't willingly swap with someone on benefits for every laptop and fag in the world, and nor would you because as you know full well it would be very far from a life of ease and luxury.

alice.... I think it's more about achieving a level playing field too.... living with disability costs money hence why DLA was introduced in the first place BY THE TORIES.

Mobile phone- to ring up for jobs. Cars to travel to interviews or so you can 'get on your bike' Internet to search for jobs.....

jogon.

Where I live they can be a pest but I object to anyone getting their rocks off by inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering that's why I hate the Tories