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how will these cuts affect you?

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Paul88 · 27/02/2011 23:13

Here is Gideon's answer and much more:

ow.ly/44j5Q

great that we actually all have access now to what goes on in the committee rooms - rather than just the soundbites the media choose to report.

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Chil1234 · 04/03/2011 12:29

Labour had a go at taking from the poor with the 10% rate abolition.... or have we carefully forgotten that one? The tax increases did not just affect the rich, they hit the same middle-income earners that are being squeezed this time around. Giving a little back via tax credits was a sop that fooled no-one...

glasnost · 04/03/2011 09:25

So chil how you gonna head off the oilquake.......hmmm.

More of the same old same old? And read up on imminent oilquake as it contextualises what's going on now and will happen in the future. Stop sticking your fingers in your ears.

Money for old rope no longer works.

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Paul88 · 04/03/2011 08:34

"tax increases that would have made King John and the Sheriff of Nottingham blush"

NO

Labour's tax increases were on the rich. Yes there was some stealth - I wish they had had the courage to put in the 50% rate earlier in their time but all parties are too scared to raise any sort of tax rates.

King John and the Sheriff of Nottingham are famous for taking from the poor. Labour did the opposite.

The tories are cutting taxes for the rich and have increased the most regressive tax of all - VAT. They have reversed labour's 1% NI increase which would have been a fair way of increasing tax revenues from all earners.

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Chil1234 · 04/03/2011 05:44

Abolish monetary economics?.... Explains a lot.

glasnost · 03/03/2011 23:10

Don't be put off by the Venus bit; that's the name of a location in California - not to be confused with the planet. Read it properly before pooh poohing it. People are so pregudiced these days they dismiss anything out of hand.

In order to head off the imminent oilquake an alternative must be found to the stenching corrupt system we have had all these years.

Tatty bye!!

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 03/03/2011 23:03

OK - I've only scanned the Activist Orientation guide but it seems to just be communism with a hint of Star Trek.

glasnost · 03/03/2011 22:33

I would explain better Coalition but 'tis late where I am. Check out this if you're vaguely interested.

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 03/03/2011 22:15

Hmm, how would trade work in that case? Could you only trade with someone who happened to have something you want? Because I'm pretty sure I can't eat anything the company I work for makes.

glasnost · 03/03/2011 22:08

No the answer to the economic problems is to abolish monetary economics ie. money! Resource based economy is where it's at.

Chil1234 · 03/03/2011 18:33

Not burglary... that would have been far too overt. No, I meant thirteen years of stealthy tax increases that would have made King John and the Sheriff of Nottingham blush. What's ironic.... and I know you'll appreciate how utterly hilarious this is, glasnost.... is that, having already paid through the nose to finance Prudence's little experiment, the answer to the current problems from people like you is 'increase taxes'.... Mental.

glasnost · 03/03/2011 16:05

Gabby why don't you start a thread about the nefarious Murdoch deal sactioned by Culture secretary Jeremy Cunt. Oh sorry. I meant......

I would but was impressed by the success your Panorama thread had over in AIBU land. Your ONE SHOW thread wasn't very clear though. Were you implying the BBC had been taken over by malign forces that night?

Chil are you accusing Gordon'misunderstoodgenius'Brown of burgling your house? Good Lord.

Chil1234 · 03/03/2011 15:10

I don't have jewels.... Gordon 'Robbing Bastard' Brown successfully relieved me of those years ago. :)

glasnost · 03/03/2011 15:07

Who lives in a democracy....?

You're just worried Chil that come the revolution you'll haveto give up some of your jewels!

Chil1234 · 03/03/2011 13:29

"The only hope now is for a revolution Egypt/Libya style. "..... Rubbish. In a democracy the social contract is that the majority decision stands until the next electoral opportunity. That's the fundamental ideal the people of a free country (unlike Libya and Egypt) defend and protect. Those of us who didn't vote for the last government have had to be patient for the previous 13 years. Just because the result last May didn't go the way you wanted it to, doesn't make revolution the civilised answer.

GabbyLoggon · 03/03/2011 13:18

As we who listen to the TODAY prog know it is
Tory Minister Jeremy Hunt who has Cultlike status.

His Murdoch deal wont lesson the Cult effect.

( I think Broadcasters must be scared stiff of the HUNT surname. (There was a Kate Hunt in the Yorkshire Post recently)

"Gabby"

glasnost · 03/03/2011 12:49

"Leftwing never has and never will be a recipe for economic success"

That got me thinking that if the only type of success to be held up for consideration and estimation (by Chil anyhow) is economic then capitalism really has colonised our hearts and minds. They don't need Gideon or anyone else to mildly fumble and blush when backed into a corner. They've got it all sown up.

The only hope now is for a revolution Egypt/Libya style. I fear though they are freer than us if they still have the energy and will to rebel.

Whilst patiently awaiting the revolution a step in the right direction could be taking part in the protest march on March 26th in London organised by the TUC. marchforthealternative.org.uk/

glasnost · 03/03/2011 11:52

That's not very nice. How could Gabby be even distantly compared to a Jeremy Hunt?

Chil1234 · 03/03/2011 11:51

'cultlike'?..... out by just the one letter glasnost...

glasnost · 03/03/2011 11:46

Cheers Gabby you make salient points AND make us laugh. You have cultlike status in the MN milieu....

glasnost · 03/03/2011 11:39

Er no I was thinking more along the lines of the post world war 2 gov of Bevin, Atlee et al who built the welfare state and saved the country fron certain social and economic disaster after the carnage of the war....pretty much that disaster that the tories will now doggedly continue.

Callaghan et al weren't leftwing enough.

GabbyLoggon · 03/03/2011 11:37

Gabby Logan is at Radio 5-Live, glasnost. I am on mumsnet and if I am making you chuckle thats ok by me. (laughter is music to the soul) And please dont say "Ah Soul"

On the major subject...Yes, I agree the financial scene is toxic. (Toxic is an in-word) cheers "Gabby"

Chil1234 · 03/03/2011 11:33

A viable leftwing alternative like the Callaghan 'Winter of Discontent' government who messed up the economy so badly that the country had to go the IMF for a bail out? 'Left wing' never has been and never will be a recipe for economic success.

glasnost · 03/03/2011 09:38

Why does the highly entertaining Gabby Loggon always tag her posts "Gabby"? It makes me chuckle every time.

Could she enlighten me?

Failing that could I just say that IMO it's pretty churlish and superfluous to be here retroactively doling out blame for the banking crisis to this'un or that'un. It's the political/financial system as a whole that's toxic and should be scrapped. Until then these disasters will be cyclical even though I fear this one is pretty much terminal. Once we get back to having a viable leftwing alternative to the total tories and partial ones who lord it over all of us the better off we'll be.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 03/03/2011 09:22

Labour did not cause the banking crisis.
Labour did cause us to be insufficiently prepared for it.
Labour did cause us to be more exposed to the crises due to an overreliance on an underregulated finance sector.

If the conservatives had been in power they almost certainly would have done the same.

This does not reduce Labours culpability.

Niceguy2 · 03/03/2011 08:52

OMG. It really is like talking to a wall isn't it? If only life could be simplified to a simple one liner.

Look, what do you mean by financial crisis?

If you mean the budget deficit then yes, that is virtually ALL Labour's fault. They inherited a balanced budget. It was balanced whilst they stuck to Tory spending plans, then it came off the rails when Gordon Brown decided he knew better. Yes, at the end, the deficit went up because of the banking crisis but this will turn us a profit in the long run so is less of a concern than the structural deficit. That's all on New Labour. Now perhaps the Tories would have done the same thing. Let's assume they did. If they had, you'd be screaming from the rafters that it was their fault wouldn't you?

Labour were in charge. They are responsible. FACT.

Did they cause the banking crisis? Not directly no. The banks did that. BUT and its a big BUT were Labour responsible? Yes, they share that responsibility, since they were only able to do that under a purposely lax Labour policy designed to woo financial companies to the UK. In fact, Gordo thought he was so clever that he preached his mantra to other more cautious nations like France & Germany.

It's like this, if my child at school today punches another child, is it my fault? No. Am I responsible. Yes.