The Welfare Reform Bill

No need to take it like that. Most restaurants, pubs and shops, in my area, are employing eastern europeans. Employers prefer them to locals as they are over here to work and earn money and are willing to do any hours requested. Whereas locals are unreliable.

I do wonder if this will be addressed once the welfare reform comes into place with businesses being told to employ british workers before europeans.

adamschic "swarming with them" do you mean flies, wasps or perhaps bees.

don,t you just hate the pesks little ceatures move into your loft without so much as a by or leave breed like rabbits you know, or do i mean insects.

this thread surley is diverse from benefits to nature in just one post.

sorry adamschic do have understand where your comming from but please they are people.

bedugs, you should come to my area, it's swarming with them. Not just in hospitality but in the supermarkets, shops. A few are getting pregnant and being housed etc with the intention of making their life here.

Just seen on the Channel 4 News that the proposal that HB would be cut for long term unemployed has been dropped.

Which 6 benefits are being rolled into the UC?

torys seem to have the answer, sell the jobs to the highest bidder.

www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/02/hedge-funds-party-banks

everyone start saving to get their kids an intership.

welfare reform bill.

www.dwp.gov.uk/policy/welfare-reform/legislation-and-key-documents/welfare-reform-bill-2011/

blind people will lose £30 rhib.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/16/blind-lose-30-pound-week-benefits

done against a background of almost one million 18-24 years olds unemployed; it is
fffffff fantasy land. Playing games for tough headlines.

You only get examined by a proper doctor if you insist.

The Tory press will back it, but the disabled and young mums who are prejudiced by it should kick up a stink.

If the government had jobs to give people it might just be rational.

Tories and principal together? Is that like ferrets and rabbits? (dont think about it girls)
Will a Liberal resign over the Bill? Dont hold your breath. (Maybe just a councillor)

Cameron would die of natural causes befor it ALL was enacted. (slow burn, fire goes out) "Gabby"

i,m sorry but i don,t see any eastern europeans working in my local pubs, clubs or anywhere else for that matter in my area.

i do know that last week it was reported that 55 people applied for 2 posts in my city centre.

you can link yes, thanks for that, I will have a look later!

for info on todays announcment go to dwp web site click welfare reform bill, click welfare reform and click relevant passage at bottom of page.

are we allowed to link sites.

ladyblablah

mr smith stated this morning that the private sector is expanding and creating more jobs but yesturday, mr smiths dw dept realesed figures showing that the private sector is static.

the guardian have a story running about benefits being cut to blind people, if anyone would care to take a look.

whats the old saying "when a poltcian opens his mouth he,s lying."

Budugs, the kids didn't want to have the news on what is a pip?

whilst being in support of a simplified benefits system, i do not like the idea of cutting benefits to sick and disabled people.

although i hate to talk about benefit fraud in relation to sick and disabled people, i know many people cannot read about benefits whithout thinking about fraud.

can i say one thing fraud within the benefit system runs at 0.1% of total benefit expeniture (office of national statitics)which is minute in comparison to fraud commited within the insurance industry, charities ect ect.

the diffence is a benefits a safety net, fraud is a crime.

but stop esa to the sick and disabled after one year and making eligibility for dla - which today has been abolished and replaced with a pip, before the closing consultaion date of feb 18 has been reached - much harder - and for those who have or are in the process of going through know how diffiercult it is to get - this is the crime not fraud commited by a very small minority.

do not punish the many for the crime of the few.

and realise there for the grace of god go i.

Only be a good ting niceguy?

Collaterel damage for people such as the disabled is a fgood thing if it stops one or two wankers in the process?

Why can't we have a system that manges both- only that would be a good thing.

Niceguy, there is always going to be loopholes, and people will find ways around them, I am rubbish at that type of thing, and I found one already without even trying!

If the current proposals stop idiots like this then it can only be a good thing.

Well I amde the argument there aren;'t enough jobs and I am not on JSA: I am looking though.

Eqastern European friends are returning home becuase they cannot get work, I know my area is one with very high unemployment (yes we could move but then DH would be out of work- swings and roundabout!).

I'd love to find work; just been trawling jobs sites now. I don't have much choice about hours though which is the killer- un til teh UK make sit compulsory for LEAs to provide chidlcare opportunities for all Sn kids then I am stuffed royally. As are very many other people indeed.

And I am presuming if I feel this as a post grad qualified person in what is technically a shortage subject (but sadly catered for mainly by the state and charity sectors) then I am assuming that if you have no qualifications at all then you really do not stand a chance.

One thing I noticed, was that recently there was something about if you earn less than £25k you may not have to pay all uni fee's for the first year or so? Did I see that the maximum benefits paid out to a family is under that figure? If you had twins and a years gap with the next child and they all wanted to go to uni, and you were on say £35k pa, surely then it would pay to not work for a couple of years at that stage? I understand most london uni's are planning on charging £7.5k per annum, due to supply and demand.

well obviously it sounds good, but it's quite simple, hardly ground breaking stuff
Let's see how it pans out

Argh, i hate the old excuse "But there's not enough jobs".

Whilst that might be correct, it doesn't preclude people from having to look for work.

If you are out of work and on JSA then your right to claim JSA is there. Your responsibility is to find suitable work asap.

I watched newsnight with an American guy comparing their system to ours, looking around Anfield, Liverpool and chatting to long term unemployed people.

He said the idea of generations not working is so alien in America. Some of them complained that they would only be £30 a week better off in the jobs that were available, his answer was that in the states you wouldn't receive any money at all if you refused work. A single mum mentioned fitting work round school hours and childcare issues and she was told that being a lone parent isn't a special case in the states. Work is available as we are importing labour from eastern europe to do the jobs that our jobless won't do.

It's time for a radical change. I know that we pay much higher taxes than in the states and expect better public services but if they can treat students and school kids the way it's going then it's time people got off their backsides and worked. Benefits should be there for people who geniunely cannot work and for a short term safetynet. Make work pay and don't give them excuses not too. I am a not a Tory btw, I am a single mum who has always worked.

That's fine euetunes if we have a system thatc an pick out those with no choice as IMO they should be exempt- in the government's opinion too, given that people receiving disability benefits are exempt from maximum income limits.

unfortunately ATOS is not that system and I fully expect many people who cannot work to become dependent on out of work benefits, and therefore struggling through absolutely no choice of their own, and without option.

It is a good idea that getting people into work, will pay better than benefits.

Time and time again, we hear that people cannot afford to come off benefits. If that is the case, then it is most definitely time for a good old shake up, but not to the detriment of those who need it.

i.e those who can work, should be able to go to work and have a better income than being on bens. Otherwise what is the point. No bloody wonder the amount of people leaving work for a life on benefits is rising all the time.

Even if there are jobs, there are people who genuinely cannot afford to take them.