The Welfare Reform Bill

george, ffs lighten up, I dont agree with Comps or claigs politics but they seem to be decent people and will have a debate/row/verbal punch up without rancour.

You and Long Fingernails will be good to "watch". I find her political opinions to be spiteful, nasty and abhorrent. I suspect she had an operation to remove any Human empathy.

oops there's an echo in here

ok adamschic i don't hold grudges so chill!

next time you'll know to go easy on the dodgy rascist language though yes?

good night to all.

ok adamschic i don't hold grudges so chill!

next time you'll know to go easy on the dodgy rascist language though yes?

good night to all.

Bit of an own goal treating SAHM's same as lone aprents: I know absolutely laods fo carers who don;t actually claim any CA or DLA as they can cope on tehir partner's wage plus Tax credits; presumably they will now ahve to claim the full whack to not be made to work?

Clever!

Georgeorwell, if you are still reading, have had chance to catch up and notice that you have justified your personal attack on me by mainly objecting to my use of the word 'swarming'. It's a figure of speech, haven't you heard the expression before? e.g "The clubs are swarming with people on a Saturday night". Considering that around 60% of people employed in my local area are from overseas it wasn't meant in an insidious manner.

The reason I hid the thread was to protect my teen DD reading the vitriol you aimed my way. She lurks when I leave it open so I wouldn't post anything that I am ashamed of. I know she knows better of me since she has met some of my friends from overseas including the slovenian boyfriend I went out with a few times last year and hope she doesn't agree with you on your other points, still it wasn't pleasant reading. Also, although I tell her not to look at mumsnet and do something more constructive with her spare time, I do strictly forbid her to post. I fear she would defy me just for you and post something back that would get me banned off the board for life .

Thanks to the other posters for pulling George up on it in my absence.

this is from the consultation doc:

"The applicant, normally the parent with care, will have an economic cost through the application charge, likely to be around £100 or £50 for an applicant on welfare benefits for the full statutory system and lower for the calculation only service. The full cost of an application is likely to be around £200". this charge is for an apllication and then a percentage of each months maintenance thereafter.

its consultation period now.

it then goes on say this:

The policy proposal is to close all existing Child Support Agency cases in tranches over a minimum of a two year period, offer choice to these parents so those who can collaborate will be helped to do so and allow those who cannot collaborate to apply to the new statutory service.
Since the application to the new service will incorporate a fee this will offer encouragement to parents to consider a family-based arrangement where possible.

so it appears to effect current recipients using the CSA and future ones. so in my case, they will close it down and then i will have to make a new claim and pay £200 for something I was already getting

Nice.

www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/ia-strengthening-families.pdf

Lego when does it start? How much?

'Find a job or lose benefits, mothers to be told'. Article reporting that SAHMs who claim the new Universal Credit will be treated the same as lone parents.

Here: www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/feb/17/welfare-reform-mothers-lose-benefits

all of us-they will take a percentage of the maintenance paid for our children from their dad/mum.

I read the link there are two issues I was interested in

1. DLA changing to PIP

It looks like dla changing to pip, dla has 5 components, pip two, and the way they assess you is different, has anyone looked at this in detail to work out what it means, am too think sorry!

2. CSA and charges

I am getting csa, and have suffered emotiionla abuse, not got evidence, will the kids loose out, as he will take the mick, he does not care if they are without money, he left them without money for about 9 months and could not give two hoots, used the money to spend on his marriage to the woman he left for!

Is the change/charge for new claimants only or for all?

interesting. i was never aware of that or made aware by any of my solicitors. at the moment i am not entitled to legal aid but canot afford to pay a solicitor either. thank goodness for the CSA as it is! which is my point i guess!

There is legal aid at the moment if you get your skates on and yes the courts will act in the child's interests even if you aren't married. It's the family law act apparently but I'd be getting to a solicitor asap if you think it might affect you.

but there isn't going to be legal aid for this sort of dispute anymore is there?

and if you were not married can you still do this?

The maintenance will be disregarded for Income Support as well as tax credits and yes I know somebody who is mortgage free and claims tax credits whilst reinvesting her money into her property development business which i have mixed feelings about.
I get the feeling the CSA are charging to encourage people to sort things out amongst themselves which will be fine if the courts will order attachments of earnings and threaten none payers with prison or removing driving licenses.

oops, sorry mamatomany, just re read the last few pages of this thread and i think i read your post incorrectly . just so cross about the CSA stuff i can't even read properly.

On the OP I have seen many people point out that point 2 is not a new thing. I would like to point out that point 3 is not a new thing either, employability providers have been paid on results rather than for the service for a few years now, that change has already come in.

On the jobs, I have been looking, many jobs I see have 200+ applicants. The free papers on the tube have about 1/2 a page of jobs every day where they used to have 5 or 6. My old private sector employers have just laid a load of people off - they are taking advantage of the economic situation and uncertainty to reduce staff and squeeze more out of the one who remain - they are not the only ones doing this. Recruitments agents that I have spoken to describe the situation for jobseekers at the moment as extremely tough. Come the beginning of April thousands and thousands of redundant people (tens of thousands? more? does anyone know?) will hit the market. The idea that there is a buoyant market out there for jobseekers, with stacks of jobs and more coming all the time, is incorrect from what I can see.

"Whilst the CSA tax is unlikely to affect anyone given their success rate, I'm rather in favor because they have excluded maintenance from benefits deductions - does that sentence make sense ?? "

mamatomany, it will effect my children!

also, as for excluding maintenance from benefits, well are you sure or are you just talking about tax credits? CTC is being cut as will child benefit, this will undoubtedly effect single parents considerably with children.

also, what about the rules around savings/shares and tax credits? what about the rules and tax crredits and being a home owner-assets?! if you want to talk about fairness that is?

i think that part of the idea about maintenance and benefits is that is is the children's money. it is often irregular or not recieved at all and so it would be more costly to assess and keep changing rates. there aren't many LP's raking in maintenance through the csa as you say.
as for women making their ex's pay...it really is not that simple.

no mamtory he is not getting dla at any level at all .And i have nop with people having moblity cars infact just ordred ours .He claims to have a iffy back that came on second we split up

That might be through the mobility scheme though, the newish car, they aren't allowed to sell old ones.
He'll get what's coming .... I am a great believer in karma

mamatory

he can and does he somehow manged to buy car thats only a few years old .yet complains the £5 a ffortnight i get for the younger 2 dc is to much and he cant afford it and for the record he is not really sick or disabled either but he swings it without anyone asking tough questions

He won't pay, he went for 9 months not paying, he will fake anything, emotional abuser! I could do the court order, he will love the attention and will do anything to get out of paying, it will thrill him to do the kids and me over!

Mummie Hunnie - go for a private arrangement then and cut the CSA out, it's probably better anyway if you can trust him and if you can't then section 1a of the children's act, apply for a court order.

you won't let it lie will you? are you and claig one and the same? or a 2 headed hydra? even tho i'm pretty damn sure claig's a bloke. i totally stand by my calling of adam an idiot as that kinda language is unacceptable. it's insidious and well dodgy.

ciao 4 now!!

But who is the loser in that case, him because you cannot have a life on IB really, poor child being brought into those circumstances.
My ex earnt £247,000 last year I've got the CSA chasing him, what do you think the chances are he transfers all his investments into his wife's name next year and earns £40k ? Where there's a will to be a tosser there's a way.