How very Tory

You read the Guardian - eo ipso you know your arse from your elbow

The Daily Mail, like the Sun, is popular in the UK because you only ned a reading age of 7 to be able to understand it. Though to be fair, it's more like a reading age of 7 for the Sun and 11 for the Mail.

We used to use it a lot in remedial language teaching for adults. The Guardian, Times and Telegraph use too many long words and complex concepts.

QB - I don't buy the Guardian but I like to read the opinions of a few of it's readers - it's healthy to seek out the views of people who are the polar opposite ( however, I don't think all Guardian readers are Social workers living in Primrose Hill - or that all Daily Mail readers are married Christians living in Esher, I'm slightly more open minded thankfully )

My views on education are that most parents will seek out the very best schools they can ( based on OFSTED reports, exam results etc ) - regardless of what Newspaper they may read, plus I don't think you need to be surrounded by poor people to have empathy for them. First hand experience isn't the be all and end all.

Carminaburana, are you here for a laugh then?

I've read some of your posts and you confuse the hell out of me.

How does class equate to education. The buffoons that Orwel speaks of, are educated away from the rest of us and that education is perceived to be supperior.

I went to the open day at Brighton College this month. The Head made a speech in which he said that the children in his school have a well rounded education and form compassionate opinions because "they often see people selling the big issue on their way to school"

So we now have wealthy people saying they understand the plight of the poor and homeless because they once shared a pavement with a poor person.

If only their children had the wonderful benefit of being educated alongside working class children, I conclude they would have a far better understanding of those they seek to represent.

Welcome GeorgeOrwell -

Can't stand the Guardian - but like your posts

Am in total agreement

Just looking for somewhere to test out all the smileys... I think they're rather pretty as a group.

Oh, and all newspapers these days are rubbish. So, ner.

I think that is a bit off-topic

georgeorwell. Yes welcome to MN, you are in a minority, and I've said it before on here, some women are a pain in the arse, and very opinionated (and some of the men). I'm sure I speak for Claig in that we don't take any of this seriously. It is great for debate, and sometimes you learn things you did not know.

The opinions are not generally the ones the population at large have, as many are very left wing. It's good that everyone can have there say.
Not political I know, I still want to know where Newwave stayed in Tenerife! as my husband does not like it! I think if your remarks are with humour you get on a lot better on here!
I always look at the links for a laugh, or to inform me. If someone is abusive I don't reply to them. It's the best way.
Cheers

Look out for newwave's posts. I think you will agree with her. She unfairly bashes Tories and the DM at every opportunity, but fortunately we have the eminently sensible complimentary who puts her right on every occasion.

ta. the dm bashing i've yet to read.

will stay tuned.

Congratulations and welcome to MN.

The Guardian bashing is just a bit of light entertainment. There is far more bashing of the Daily Mail on MN, but that is funny and OK too, because it is just light entertainment.

yeah right i'm a bloke who gave birth 5 months ago hence recent discovery of MN and not at all angry. just bit bored with all this guardian bashing.

reactionary post

what's a "reactionary" pist? Anything that disagrees with Karl Marx? If you think MN is "reactionary", you need to get out more.

That woman on the tube was most probably a Guardian reader.

I'm not a bloke, but I think you probably are, most angry revolutionaries are.

so what is it motivated by? By the way, I don't hate the Guardian, I do read it to get some information. I just poke fun at the holier than thou types who think they are superior and more knowledgeable than the rest of the public who read other papers.

and why the bad mood claig? wasn't you that woman on the tube perchance was it?

reckon you're a bloke anyway.

claig never even implied guardian haters were in the employ of the mail. reckon it's motivated by summat else.

if it really is the biggest selling rag after the sun then it's even more mystifying the kneejerk defence of it here. and i've read more reactionary posts on MN than illuminated opinions with some notable exceptions.

and how does class equate with education Queen? the most ignorant buffoons i've come across are people from the upper classes in the military.

When Blair said we are all middle class now. It was like saying the struggle is over.

Just the other week on MN there was a silly thread where the OP asked "am I middle class"
Lots people then tried to justify why they were middle class.

I have just finished The Road to Wigan Pier, at least Orwel did his time living with the workers.

Although even he states "a manual worker if he is in employment has a better chance of hapiness than an educated man"

So in many ways proclaiming you are working class is like saying "I am less educated" It is very hard to get people to take you seriously if they think you are less educated.

The liberal elite who like to think they understand the working class, often turn their noses up when faced with the reality. The working class seem to feel patronised by what I call born again socialists.

georgeorwell, are you accusing anyone who pokes fun at the Guardian as being in the pay of the Daily Mail? I think you've been reading too much communist claptrap, too much Gramsci garbage. Didn't you read complimentary's statistics about the papers' circulation figures. Apart from the Sun, I think the Daily Mail is the most popular paper in the country. It doesn't need any help to sell papers. If you've spent any time on MN, you will see that most posters have the same opinion of it as you do. But that only goes to show how unrepresentative MN really is.

Gabby, it was John Prescott who said "we're all middle class now".

Queen yeah orwell was a product of eton and then oxford but was politicised by injustice witnessed in the army in colonial burma.

why's saying you're a working class socialist a taboo? if it goes contrary to anything bloody blair spewed then it's all good. i've been living abroad for quite a while now so must be out of the loop (thank god).

this guardian fixation on here by daily hate readers is well suspect though and goes beyond mere goading of its readership methinks.

He was a man of Eton. But you would never have guessed. No dress sense, no Dave accent. (and dave is said to have toned it down)

Orwell went down the pit and various other working class activities to write about it, I suppose.

Look, Queen, whoever said we were "All middle class" had a very restricted set of friends.

Perhaps a lot of people aspire to MC...(master of clap, ) own house, big car. a fresh condom every jump, holidays in cleethorpes and Egypt. 2.8 kiddy winkies.
A photo of Mrs Logan on the living room wall, heart-shaped body hair styling, never break wind front of the Brigadiers lady. (let her go first)...It all takes a lot of effort just to jump a class. "Gabby"

GeorgeOrwel,

Wasn't the great man a product of Eton!

I think the working classes have lost their focus. It seems that Margeret Thatcher and Blair really succeeded in neutering them.

When Blair said "we are all middle class now" it seemed to close down all debate. Instead we talk about there being an under class distinct from the other 80% of us.

To come out and say you are working class and you are a socialist is like saying youv'e got the clap.

The liberal elite are too nervy to support real socialism because they would prefer to "talk about" the working classes rather than "talk to" the working classes.

My father was raised in a family full of communists and I'm afraid years of reading the Daily mail has addled his brain. He voted tory.