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How to be avoid being kettled next time you protest - thank goodness for technology

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granted · 03/02/2011 09:20

Fantastic story:

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/02/inside-anti-kettling-hq

Well done, you guys.

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granted · 07/02/2011 22:26

I agree dotnet - I think that what the police, and their masters in govt, are doing, is radicalising large parts of the next generation.

Which in itself is not necessarily a bad thing.

The law of unintended consequences at work, possibly?

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dotnet · 07/02/2011 08:58

p.s. And - now here's a thought - if someone is seen to be attempting to set fire to property, they should be arrested.

dotnet · 07/02/2011 08:41

I don't believe property has been set alight in any of the student demonstrations (correct me if I'm wrong.) I did see students burning their placards and placard sticks in bonfires while they were trapped in the freezing cold.

Water cannons? The police would (rightly) never be forgiven - hundreds of children and students and older people would end up in hospital with hypothermia.

Chil1234 · 06/02/2011 17:54

If being made to stand around for a bit is so hideously unacceptable, being squirted with cold water would be 'police brutality'.... just a thought

conculainey · 06/02/2011 17:45

I disagree with Kettling as well, its ineffective and leads to injuries on both sides, a water cannon is much more effective and also useful when the holligans set property alight. I cannot understand why so few police forces use them.

dotnet · 06/02/2011 15:31

Well, here is what my dd, who is a student, has to say. Any high up police out there reading this - please think about it; I suspect that, like Cameron, you are so far away from ordinary folk, in your own bubble, that you can't see the damage you are doing.

We do live in a democracy and the people of this country, the young ones as well as the rest of us - deserve consideration.

(From a letter dated 2nd February, 2011)

'I asked ( name ) about the Manchester protest when I saw her on Monday. ( dd had been unable to attend this one. )

There was kettling - everybody ran, but ( name ) was the only ( her university ) person who got away. She put it down to wearing sturdy shoes.

'The kettle was 'only' two hours (as opposed to my nine-hour, or your four-hour epic) but the police photographed everyone before they let them go.

Only a handful of ( her university ) people had experienced the police in London, so for most Manchester-goers their treatment at the hands of the Central Manchester police was the worst thing that has ever happened to them. I know, relatively speaking, it was minor - but I'm very very glad that more people have had their eyes opened about police tactics.

Some of the right-wingers in the Students' Union got kettled and came out seething, their trust in the police completely shattered.

I wish every student (every student? Actually, everyone ) could get kettled, just so that by the end of it we would all be on the same page. That would stop the Tory idiots from throwing the word 'thug' around, at least in relation to the protestors.'

Anyone who disagrees with dd's views - please can I ask that you post courteously. dd is young and not anything like as hard bitten as we old boots (present company excepted, possibly?) - on Mumsnet. Thanks.

dotnet · 06/02/2011 12:08

Not a lot of point talking to trees.

newwave · 05/02/2011 19:52

A few sarnies would also be cheaper for the allegedly improverished student than all those expensive smartphones....

I doubt most students buy bought their own smart phones I suspect it is "soft touch" parents like me. :)

granted · 04/02/2011 20:55

The sink was in 'and the kitchen sink', by the way...

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granted · 04/02/2011 20:54

I don't think lack of food and drink was the only complaint - presumably you'd also need to bring along your own portable heater, loo and sink. Oh, and something to frighten the horses.

So not much, then!

Wonder what you take to prevent being squashed into an unfeasibly small space. A tardis???

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Chil1234 · 04/02/2011 12:43

Surely, the only anti-kettling measures you'd need as a student would be a packed lunch and a thermos... biggest complaint of being made to stay in one area for a while always seems to be 'getting nothing to eat or drink'. A few sarnies would also be cheaper for the allegedly improverished student than all those expensive smartphones....

Appletrees · 04/02/2011 12:30

s'ok you can count on me not to throw fire extinguishers

ambarth · 04/02/2011 07:01

Ok, changed my mind on kettling. Newwave and appletrees need to be kettled..Grin

granted · 03/02/2011 23:32

Can you break it up, there you two? It's like watching a policeman and a student, only without one in riot gear and the other one in ...um not riot gear. Don't really notice what students wear these days.Wink

Glad some enjoyed the link, anyway.

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Appletrees · 03/02/2011 19:26
newwave · 03/02/2011 19:15

a "modicum"?, yes a modicum.

"Violence" against inanimate objects is vandalism, you cannot be violent towards a brick wall for example.

The breaking of windows is not violence it is vandalism.

Breaking a students skull is violence.

It is the plod who provoke violence by kettling demonstrators.

Good job the suffragettes did not have to rely on people like you or women still would not have the vote.

Appletrees · 03/02/2011 19:03

a "modicum"?

I was a sab. I do know. I just have more perspective than you.

newwave · 03/02/2011 18:56

"Maybe that was in response to the students trusting Clegg & Co to keep their word and found that trust to be badly misplaced."

You justified life-threatening violence with one political decision.

That is a stretch to find a link between those two statements.

"The police trusted the students on the first demo and there was violence and chaos at Millbank"

Apart from the idiot there was little "Violence" there was however a modicum of vandalism and quite some chaos. You appear to need to exaggerate what happened to give some justification to your incorrect view of the demonstration.

If I could take you back in time to a hunt sab confrontation with the hunting fraternity filth then you could have witnessed some real violence

newwave · 03/02/2011 18:50

"Maybe that was in response to the students trusting Clegg & Co to keep their word and found that trust to be badly misplaced."

You justified life-threatening violence with one political decision.

That is a stretch to find a link between those two statements.

"The police trusted the students on the first demo and there was violence and chaos at Millbank"

Apart from the idiot there was little "Violence" there was however a modicum of vandalism and quite some chaos. You appear to need to exaggerate what happened to give some justification to your incorrect view of the demonstration.

If I could take you back in time to a hunt sab confrontation with the hunting fraternity filth then you could have witnessed some real violence

Appletrees · 03/02/2011 18:38

"Maybe that was in response to the students trusting Clegg & Co to keep their word and found that trust to be badly misplaced."

There you go.

Newwave you can't rewrite history. The police trusted the students on the first demo and there was violence and chaos at Millbank.

However much you want the police to have been provocateurs, to be provocateurs, you are on a sticky wicket there.

Plus, your last post made me think you're not that well informed anyway, just opinionated.

newwave · 03/02/2011 18:32

Apple, I dont much like violence from anybody however I can see that "political decisions" sometimes end in vandalism and violence, the idiot with the extinguisher got what he deserved, that said he neither killed or hurt anyone whilst the plod involved in Tomlinsons death walks free.

Cammila gets a fright and the plod are on the case, Alfie gets his skull fractured and......

You justified life-threatening violence with one political decision. please cut and paste where i did

mubarak The Met Police sends in the state sponsored thugs and chaos ensues.

Appletrees · 03/02/2011 18:20

"even those guys in Egypt managed to stay away from violence and chucking fire extinguishers, yeah right 9 dead and 300+ injured"

you are so ignorant

eight days of peaceful protest against a police regime

mubarak sends in the state sponsored thugs and chaos ensues

read the papers

Appletrees · 03/02/2011 18:17

You used a political decision to excuse violence and thuggery. Find it so uncomfortable you have to change the subject?

Are you trying to suggest that I am supportive of police violence? Wrong track love. Yes I condemn police violence. Your turn.

You justified life-threatening violence with one political decision.

newwave · 03/02/2011 18:04

permission granted to be violent and destroy things and threaten lives, sounds like the plod to me.

I give you Blair Peach and, Tomlinson.

Does a copper fracturing a young lads (Alfie) skull and then other plod trying to stop him getting hospital treatment meet with your approval as well.

what is the matter with you, nothing at all just that I can see that it's not the "dark forces" against the "blame free plod"

Or is plod violence ok? as I note that does not receive your condemnation

even those guys in Egypt managed to stay away from violence and chucking fire extinguishers, yeah right 9 dead and 300+ injured

Appletrees · 03/02/2011 17:56

oh I see

permission granted to be violent and destroy things and threaten lives Hmm

yeah i don't think so -- and there we will disagree for ever and ever

even those guys in Egypt managed to stay away from violence and chucking fire extinguishers

what is the matter with you