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Where Would We Be Now If Brown Had Won Last May?

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Chil1234 · 31/01/2011 11:39

Genuine question. Pre-election, the Labour manifesto pledges on budget management were very similar to the ones on offer from the other parties. Darling, in a speech not long after the election, seemed to be very much a 'deficit believer' and criticised Brown for failing to tackle the subject head on, instead getting sidetracked into a debate between investment and cuts. Would things be fundamentally different now if we still had a Labour government? Better or worse?

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TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 01/02/2011 09:26

No one has a clue because it didn't happen.

dotnet · 01/02/2011 09:05

Labour would put up the highest band of tax, surely? 50% is hardly anything when you're earning megabucks. They'd have made a top band, above the 50%?
I read somewhere recently (wish I'd made a note of it) that the divergence between the highest and lowest earners now and the highest and lowest earners in the 1970s is a HUGE multiple- that is, the highest earners now earn, say, 30 times more than the lowest as compared to, say, 17 times more in the 1970s (I'll try and look up for the actual figures - they're shocking.)

Paul88 · 01/02/2011 07:01

No way would the UK have been downgraded - that was always a myth put about by tories.

Remember that these credit agencies are just bunches of rich ex bankers playing the bond markets for their own sake and they were rating sub prime mortgages as AAA right until the crash.

If Brown had won:

The NHS would be safe from the utter destruction it now faces.

Many people would be feeling the pain of major cuts in public services and would be losing their jobs - but not as many.

Banks and other big companies wouldn't be getting a corporation tax give away.

I am quite sure the bonus tax on bankers would have been kept.

Instead of the hugely regressive VAT increase we'd have the much fairer NI increase that the tories repealed.

The Lib dems would have a future.

Labour would be behind in the polls instead of current position of getting a 78 seat majority if their was an election tomorrow.

rabbitstew · 31/01/2011 23:27

or insight?

complimentary · 31/01/2011 23:08

on site, or in sight. The Daily Mail that is!

complimentary · 31/01/2011 23:05

Jackstarb. Let's put it like this, I was young when I attended the LSE. Most of my time was spent in the 'Three Tuns Bar!' (all subsidised of course). I always knew was out of place. I was practically the only one who wore make-up!. Not a copy of the Daily Mail in site!

Plus most of my hols were spent in Ibiza at the time, which was not the normal hols for those at the LSE. Those were the days, before fees and 'one' could enjoy a good knees up in Spain.!

Also I was not as political, as I am now,otherwise I can assure you there would have been plenty of fights. arguments
debates! Grin

rabbitstew · 31/01/2011 22:16

Good Heavens - you don't all think the last Labour Government was a socialist government, do you? They were merely spendthrift Tories.

SlightlyTubbyHali · 31/01/2011 20:35

I went to LSE too. The lefty thing was before my time...

Quattrocento · 31/01/2011 19:28

Socialists tend not to worry about paying bills, I find. Partly because they don't believe in balancing budgets but mostly because they believe they themselves shouldn't have to. Being members of the exploited working class and all. Leave paying the piper to the plutocrats, eh?

Chil1234 · 31/01/2011 19:26

Well Gordon did!.... Thank you ladies and gentlemen, I'm here all week....

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Quattrocento · 31/01/2011 19:24

How could you forget the Golden Rule?

Chil1234 · 31/01/2011 19:24
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Chil1234 · 31/01/2011 19:23

Eyebrows notwithstanding, Darling is turning out to have been one of the more sensible ones.... which I'll admit is worrying. Remember the horsewhipping he got from his own team for calling the recession the worst in 60 years or whatever? And he was right!

I'd quite forgotten about 'The Golden Rule' incidentally until I looked up that 2009 budget speech (yes... that sad).

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Quattrocento · 31/01/2011 19:23

I agree with the consensus on this thread

We would have had another budget of overspending, followed by a budget of draconian cuts and tax increases, but a little too late so that our credit rating would have been downgraded and our interest payments increased massively.

So I think we would have been much deeper in the mire, with idiots at Nos 10&11.

Given a choice between smug bds and idiots, sometimes the smug bds are the lesser evil.

jackstarb · 31/01/2011 19:19

Complimentary - I'm still shocked that you went to LSE. Isn't it quite left wing? I bet you had lots of fights interesting debatesGrin.

SlightlyTubbyHali · 31/01/2011 19:12

Enjoying the same public-sector job cuts, but a little later and at the instigation of the IMF.
I really think we'd be more screwed, but people wouldn't have the satisfaction of being able to blame the Tories.

On the plus-side we'd see something less of Smirking Osborne.

freshmint · 31/01/2011 19:11

bust

complimentary · 31/01/2011 19:09

Claig. Precisely. If Chil1234, posts anymore of her Orwellian scenarios/predictions, half the posters will be heading for the hills!...

Chili, how can we ever trust Darling, a man whose, eyebrows, don't match his hair!Grin

claig · 31/01/2011 15:20

Knocking on the IMF's door

Chil1234 · 31/01/2011 12:54

@complimentary... Inspired by watching an old 'Have I Got News For You' from some time in 2009. Darling had just set out a budget, citing the Great Depression as the reason for borrowing £175bn, predicting 3.5% growth in 2011 (!) and welshing on the Brown 'golden rule' to only ever borrow to invest (not to borrow to finance the 'current budget').... and even arch-red Mark Steel couldn't find anything nice to say about it

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jackstarb · 31/01/2011 12:46

Oooh good question!

It depends on whether Darling remained as chancellor. It's possible he may have succeeded in holding off the bond market and delaying the cuts for 12 months. But by about now (or the March budget) he would have needed to address the deficit and would be announcing cuts.

If Darling had been replaced by Balls? - I'd say the IMF might be sniffing around by now.

(And - I'd be too busy researching property and schools in Zug to post on here Smile.)

Niceguy2 · 31/01/2011 12:44

Durham You probably would have been in the same boat. Just a few months later.

MadamDeath, yes you are right. By 2014/15 we're expected to be paying about £74 billion per year on interest repayments alone. Thats just interest....not the actual debt.

The longer we delay getting our deficit/overspending under control, the worse that figure gets.

To put it into context we spend about £45 billion on defence. Thats army, navy & air force. And £63 billionish on education.

That's why its laughable the people who say there's no problem at all and we should keep doling out money to all & sundry.

MadamDeathstare · 31/01/2011 12:32

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DurhamDurham · 31/01/2011 12:29

Well on a purely selfish level my DH would not be in the process of being made redundant from Job Centre + along with 25% of the staff there. I wouldn't be being funded month on month by the council who cannot commit to 'long term' funding at present for the charity I work for (as a Benefits Advisor)

complimentary · 31/01/2011 12:22

This country, as said would have gone the same way as Greece, Ireland.

Chil1234, are you trying to put the wind up the posters, by suggesting such a dreadful scenario! Grin Grin

You and I know, under nanny/police state labourism, I probably would not have been allowed to reply to your dreadful suggestion.