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How many people actually believe this twaddle ???????

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ivanhoe · 29/01/2011 19:18

COPIED AND PASTED.

QUOTE. ""Cameron rolls Thatcher revolution on

The Thatcher Governments of the 1980s gave people more power and control over their own lives by selling council houses to tenants and shares in nationalised industries to voters.

However, the Conservative revolution only went so far: the delivery as well as the funding of most local hospitals, schools, and council services stayed in state hands.

Today, the Prime Minister will give notice that the revolution's to roll on: in a speech to civil servants, he'll pledge "to turn government on its head, taking power away from Whitehall and putting it into the hands of people and communities".

Elected Commissioners will set policing priorities; parents will run schools; charities, clubs, voluntary groups and local people will take over swimming pools, libraries, social services, youth provision, and services for vulnerable people, such as drug and alcohol addiction programmes.

Edmund Burke's Little Platoons will evolve naturally into Steve Hilton's Big Society.

David Cameron will say: "The real question is: how can we achieve these aims when there is so little money?...The answer is reform - radical reform. We need to completely change the way this country is run.""

Unquote.

Aside from anything else, Mr David Cameron is saying that we have "so little money".

I guess Mr Cameron hopes we will all sit back and forget the billions we send overseas. The £50 plus million a day we fund into the EU. Plus the ring fenced expenditures are almost a bottomless pit care of "GREAT BRITAIN'S CHARITABLE GENEROSITY" round the world.

A question. Would you rather the State care of your income tax funded Britain's vital services ?

Or would you rather local charietes funded schools ect, because the government care of "the state" washed it's hands of it's responsibility's ?

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Appletrees · 30/01/2011 14:40

because qualified educationalists have done such a marvellous job over the last thirteen years

or not

erebus · 30/01/2011 14:31

Look around the school playground at home time, and decide whether you'd really want a fair few of the parents you see there running the school.

Personally I want qualified educationalists to run my DCs schools.

And how recently were our local councils 'denuded' when suddenly all those builders and developers who sat on them were legally forced to declare their interest in Planning Applications? Mm?

Local, anyone? Or properly run in a transparent way? Not always the same thing.

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ivanhoe · 30/01/2011 14:09

""I never thought I'd agree with Ivanhoe about anything but I do agree that we need to cut our EU contributions and our foreign aid contributions and instead use the money to pay for services in this country""

Precisely what dont you agree with, what I say ?

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PelvicFloorTrauma · 30/01/2011 13:55

I never thought I'd agree with Ivanhoe about anything but I do agree that we need to cut our EU contributions and our foreign aid contributions and instead use the money to pay for services in this country.

Appletrees · 30/01/2011 13:45

I'm just askng you that's all.

I'm gathering that it's both European money and develoment aid you want to stop.

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ivanhoe · 30/01/2011 13:19

/////Appletrees Sun 30-Jan-11 12:21:34
ivanhoe, do you want to cut develoment aid or money that goes to europe, or which other are you talking about////

What I want is for Britain to make sure tax payers money is used in full to fund our own vital services.

And then if we have any money left over we can once again retrieve our status as the charity for the world.

Now, what is wrong with that ?

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Appletrees · 30/01/2011 12:21

ivanhoe, do you want to cut develoment aid or money that goes to europe, or which other are you talking about

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ivanhoe · 30/01/2011 12:08

I believe that Health, Community Care, Transport, Post Offices, and Education, should all come from direct taxation from Central Government.

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darleneconnor · 30/01/2011 11:54

I do think that health, school and police boards should be locally elected and seperate from local and central govt.

But this is being done just to save money so probably wont work well.

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ivanhoe · 30/01/2011 11:41

So, what about all the tax payers money spent overseas then ?

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onimolap · 30/01/2011 11:34

The figures for the current levels of over-spending and the national debt amply illustrate the unaffordability of the current level.

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ivanhoe · 30/01/2011 11:30

""onimolap Sun 30-Jan-11 10:53:11
We cannot afford the level of services we would like.

So we either have the services we can afford, or we live beyond our means until there's an dreadful crash (IMF bailout anyone?) which would have a devastating impact on what we could afford in future.""

We are funding foreign wars, upholding third world countries, £50 million a day goes to Europe, the government have a National Insurance "surplus" of £40 billion.

And you are saying that we cannot afford our vital services.

Who told you that ?

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Appletrees · 30/01/2011 11:06

er or perhaps they knew the country couldn't afford it

Labour wasted billions and billions and billions

and look where we are, just look

onimolap · 30/01/2011 10:53

We cannot afford the level of services we would like.

So we either have the services we can afford, or we live beyond our means until there's an dreadful crash (IMF bailout anyone?) which would have a devastating impact on what we could afford in future.

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ivanhoe · 30/01/2011 10:48

""Appletrees Sun 30-Jan-11 00:28:36
actally labour did a lot of pfi whch means hospitals are a jolly sight mroe expensive and all the money is going to people's pockets that we might not like very mucgh""

"NEW" Labour carried on Thatcher's right wing agenda from 1997.

Hospital were still buried under excess and highly paid beaurocrats.

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ivanhoe · 30/01/2011 10:44

""newwave Sun 30-Jan-11 01:05:41
if the tories had spent the money labour spent we would have had something to show for it.

Dear God, we have many new schools and hospitals to show for "it" and the Tories would never have spent money on State schools and hospitals because they dont use them.""

The Tories will never spend the amounts of money "New" Labour spent.

And this is because the Tories do not believe in "the role of the State" as investment and subsidy into our vital services.

The Tories believe in charities funding our vital services, and privatising them.

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ivanhoe · 30/01/2011 10:41

With apologies for mistaking your sex.

Life on Mars was brilliant.

But even the fictitious Gene Hunt when getting a serious illness would like to know that his taxes were being used by central government to fund the services we all need and use in our daily lives.

Gene Hunt im sure would not want this funding to have to come from charities trying to raise the money locally for community care, the NHS ect, or even the private sector where the only motive is profit.

Im a European social democrat and proud to be, Europe fund all their services via much highher tax rates from the British public, and a greater use of their Gross National Product than we do.

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Chil1234 · 30/01/2011 08:30

"I see you are another "gentleman" who confuses Labour with communism."

I'm female and a mother (the typical MN member). You're the man and you're using a parenting messageboard as a political soap-box. And I've been reading your 'manifestos' long enough to realise you're the grumpy old bloke standing on the street corner trying to flog copies of the Socialist Worker... and keeping the red flag flying high. The hammer and sickle reference was a joke. Gene Hunt would be proud.

newwave · 30/01/2011 01:05

if the tories had spent the money labour spent we would have had something to show for it.

Dear God, we have many new schools and hospitals to show for "it" and the Tories would never have spent money on State schools and hospitals because they dont use them.

Appletrees · 30/01/2011 01:00

if the tories had spent the moeny labour spent we would have had something to show for it

i voted labour

what happened to education turned me

newwave · 30/01/2011 00:47

AppleTrees, Quite correct but we did end up with (overpriced) new hospitals and schools. Under the last Tory government our schools and hospitals got worse and worse as will now happen under the new Tory government.

BTW, the NHS reorganisation is so that:

jolly sight more expensive and all the money is going to people's pockets that we might not like very much.

And who will be unaccountable and unelected as well.

Appletrees · 30/01/2011 00:28

actally labour did a lot of pfi whch means hospitals are a jolly sight mroe expensive and all the money is going to people's pockets that we might not like very mucgh

newwave · 30/01/2011 00:19

"Today, the Prime Minister will give notice that the revolution's to roll on: in a speech to civil servants, he'll pledge "to turn government on its head, taking power away from Whitehall and putting it into the hands of people and communities".

No, he wants to put power (and public money) into the hand of unaccountable, unelected multinationals.

Soon we will have to ask Megadeath Industries or Fuckyou inc for permission to have hospital treatment.

Doctores pratises will become part of vast private conglomerates.

USA heathcare here we come, "no money? then fuck off and die"

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ivanhoe · 29/01/2011 21:31

Chil, Cameron, like Thatcher, wants to devolve the role state from funding into our vital services.

Instead Cameron wants to pile all responsibility for our services on local charity and private companies.

This is Cameron devolving power to the people, via reducing the role of what the State should provide through our taxes.

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ivanhoe · 29/01/2011 21:25

/////Chil1234 Sat 29-Jan-11 20:57:44
That makes two of us then, doesn't it? I can't see the wood for the trees & you can't see the hammer for the sickles. I like a bit of balance.//////

I see you are another "gentleman" who confuses Labour with communism.

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