BBC 4: 'Justice: Fairness and the Big Society

Hatred is such a strong word and you can't generalise about people in that way. I have a friend that generalises about particular ethnic minorities and that they are all as mad as each other but how unfair is that to tar everyone with the same brush. I grew up in Birmingham at the time of the pub bombings by the IRA, therefore is it fair that I should judge all Irish as terrorists? No I don't think so as it is not fair.

This government has only been in for less than 12 months and as a coalition it has to make compromises. I am not happy with all the decisions that have been made but they have to try and get us out of the mess we are in and unfortunately you can't blame it all on the banking crisis, look at the figures before that occurred.

and that they are idiots

lifeinlimbo

It was worth seeing/hearing the tory boys, it goes to prove my hatred of them is justified. :o

I have to say the BBC4 programme was FANTASTIC.

It really covered the issues in a very fair and balanced way, even if we did have to hear the tory boys!

But at least they will sort out the economy like they promised? Oh no wait, we're heading back into recession. Thanks lying Tory bastards! (or misguided fools, whichever you prefer).

I'll give Labour their due, they reduced unemployment during their time in government.

And, I hope for reducing child poverty.

Now lets watch the Tories raise youth unemployment to record levels, ooops, they have already done that.

Increase unemployment and child poverty, ooops, this is already happening.

Stop bankers bonuses as Dave said he would, lying Tory bastard

I'm neither a selfish millionaire or a misguided fool and lifeinlimbo, take a look at the figures in the link below and explain why they had risen before the banking crisis? These are facts not fiction.

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/budget/7473001/Budget-2010-the-economy-under-Labour.html?image=5

I'll give Labour their due, they reduced unemployment during their time in government.

Looking at the figures, I am not convinced that child poverty was reduced under the Labour government or we were better off at all.

Are you for real even the Tories dont deny it, they just blame others for it happening.

Tory government = bad times for the people.

Tory voter = selfish millionaire or misguided fool.

A distillation of my observations.

Thanks for showing us how much the banking crisis affected the economy moseley.

I am not ashamed for voting for the Conservatives, I always have. My Mom died last October at 75 yrs and was old enough to have lived through several Labour governments so she had good reason not to vote Labour and I held her opinion in high esteem, although we didn't always agree on things.

Budget 2010

UK Net debt since labour came to power
Jun 1997 at £350bn
Feb 2010 at £850bn

UK household debt under labour 2000
£600bn
UK household debt under labour 2010
£1,500bn

UK net borrowing as a percentage of GDP
1999/2000 minus 1%
2009/2010 plus 12.5%

Looking at the figures, I am not convinced that child poverty was reduced under the Labour government or we were better off at all.

talking about Big Society; a much printed new Buzz word but I'm not quite sure what the underlying agenda will be.

Being naturally positive about Human Nature, and understanding the values of giving / sharing to make our society more inclusive and integrated, and our lifes more fulfilled.

There is a lot about government delegating some of their services to charities; which is super-cool as long as it empowers the service users, give them more choice about how to improve their life quality.

@mosely36 - then shame on you.
I truly believe that redundancy programmes should be based on voting patterns.
If you voted tory in the GE then you should be first to put your hand up when the shit hits the fan, if you voted libdem, you should be in the second tranche.
What on earth did you think the tories were going to do for you and your family?
Seriously.

Moseley36

Are Tory voters selfish?.

All Tory governments have caused both absolute poverty levels and comparative poverty to rise. They cause child poverty to rise. The destruction of northern industry by Thatcher caused massive poverty in those communities

Those previous statements are facts.

Also new inflation figures will exacerbate the problems.

Labour reduced the absolute poverty levels and child poverty levels, nowhere near far or quick enough but then they were trying to fix 18 years of social damage caused by the Tories.

Taking that into account if you vote Tory you are voting for increases in poverty because Tory governments see it as a "price worth paying". Bear in mind Tory governments also scapegoat the poor with the "benefit scroungers" tag.

Now you may as a tory voter agree with their policies on say, the NHS, Schools and maybe transport so you may vote Tory on that basis what you need to bear in mind no matter what you like about the Tory government it always comes with the "poverty poison pill". You may think what you like about the Tories outweighs the "poverty poison pill". You may not care about the poor, who knows.

From my point of view and having a social conscience I could not vote Tory as I consider this a selfish act as I would know I would be harming the poor and needy

It may now be best to wait and see what develops

I as bristol2, have never been on this website before and was interest to see the comments on Mumsnet. However as bristol2, I was very disappointed to read some of disparaging comments made in particular newwave calling all Tory voters selfish which she believes is a fair comment. I would be interest to know how she has reached this opinion when she does not know all Tory voters. I for one am a Tory voter and I would not consider myself as selfish. I live in Birmingham in what is described as a deprived area, had a comprehensive education but left with only one o'level, not your typical Tory voter and for your information my mom, was brought up on a council estate but was also a Tory voter.

I voted Tory as I was disappointed in the way the last government had run the country and the state it has been left in. Unfortunately some not very popular decisions need to be made by the government to get us out of the mess we are in.

How dare you call them, and I quote: "despicable little shits" easy because by their words and demeanor they were despicable smug little Tory shits. I never said they were not entitled to their opinions.

"NewWave, has directed insults at MNs including me", telling porkies comp, I challenge you to show me where I have insulted you, other than calling all Tory voters selfish which is fair comment. I have however called the Tory MP's and ministers all sorts of insulting names.

I thought the debate was a little stilted.
Partly due to the presenters nervous over explaining style..

My life said she saw politicians in the audience who did not speak.

The audience were not as politically informed as a Question Time audiance.

I think they had been briefed beforehand to keep it polite. That said, it was an interesting experiment. "Gabby"

Bristol2. How long have you been on MN? Newwave, has directed insults at MNs including me. I believe everyone should have their say, and that we should not use direct comments about anyone, but then I have used some choice words myself to describe Tony Blair myself!

I've never been on this website before but really enjoyed this evening's Justice: Fairness and the Big Society and wanted to see what others were saying about it. I have to say I'm really quite disgusted at the language you use on here. You say you want the BBC to give women a voice but the voices you have on here are used to spout hateful comments about people who were interested enough to actually go on the program and speak their mind. You don't even know them, let alone have a clue about their political persuasion! How dare you call them, and I quote: "despicable little shits" for having the guts to speak up on live TV? You may not agree with what they say but community is about respecting the views of others. If you want people to respect women's voices, please use them properly, for all our sakes.

Coley, watch it on Iplayer and thanks for the info.

Jibbet so am I, sad to say you have to be rich or connected to affect the Governmnet. Murdoch who is an American citizen of Australian descent can walk into Number 10 at the drop of a hat but you and I who are citizens of this country cant even enter Downing Street let alone number 10.

Were just worth talking to at election time any other time we are an irritant.