Day of Protest Against Benefit Cuts

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Great to here that you were a LibDem voter. they are fantastic on civil liberties and devolving power to the people, as well as working for social justice. I don't agree with their policy on students either, but as always let's remember who started the whole tuition fees thing rolling - those caring, sharing New Labourites.

Peaceful protests work, not violent ones. Headlines about violent anarchists smashing up cars etc. put off the majority of the people and are counterproductive. They only appeal to naive progressives who chant slogans about scum etc.

Newwave...why were you mugged by Clegg? He went into the election stating that if there was no clear result he would talk first to the party with the most votes and the most seats...and that's what he did.

'but I never wanted to get on by trampling those less fortunate underfoot'
so why did you vote for Tony Blair and his Iraq policy?

The only time I have ever voted Labour was in 1997 other than that i have always been a LD voter, I have said this on other threads a few times. The problem is now that my "politics" does not have a natural "home" but Labour (not New labour) comes closest and have been endorsed by David Owen who in the early 1980's with the rest of the SDP reflected my views.

Trouble is I got "mugged" by Blair in 1997 and by Clegg at the last election.

"Good luck, I hope that it is peaceful and that others with their own agenda's do not bring you trouble as with the student protests".

I hope they do, the Tories only understand "violent" protests, Poll tax anyone, that worked but the Iraq march didnt.

Agree BradTittAndFlange. When people earn obscene amounts of money, then they do tend to waste it and blow it. But, at least the money is spent and circulates back into the economy, paying for taxis and restauarants and beer and wine. At least the people in those sectors get some of that money back.

That's the eay of the world. The bigwigs call the shots, and there aren't many bigwigs bigger than a bunch of bankers. They choose who pays, and it is always the people.

Let's hope Osborne can rein them in, but I am not too confident that he can.

I don't know the details of the Tories' policies. LFN would probably know more about things like that. I am sure there are people who know where to google to find out exactly what their policies are, but I don't know where to look.

In my opinion, the Tories work for all of the people of the country, rich and poor. They do that by helping business, which employs us all, and by devolving power to us and removing restrictions on us, unlike the big state socialists.

'but I never wanted to get on by trampling those less fortunate underfoot'
so why did you vote for Tony Blair and his Iraq policy?

Claig, the worst bit with the bankers and I have known a few in the past, is they squander the money more often than not, on mistress, drugs, overpriced drinks/meals, lavish holidays and the like, if it is any compensation I think a lot of them are not even that happy in themselves.

I hate the fact that the country is carrying the weight of the banking crisis, it is very unfair, we can't keep looking backwards it is not good for you, so we have to move forward with wisdome when it comes to bankers.

Good luck, I hope that it is peacefull and that others with their own agenda's do not bring you trouble as with the student protests.

Agree with you about the bankers. The bankers are the layabouts. Their bonuses are obscene, and the great Conservative, John Redwood, as well as Michael Portillo, have said so. The bankers always get away with it. It was due to their reckless gambling, carried out under Gordon Brown's light-touch regulation that we are in the mess that we are in, and as always it is the ordinary people that have to pay the price as well as the bankers' bonuses. Let's hope that the Coalition can get business moving again.

Yes the snow took lots out of our economy. As usual, there were councils who weren't prepared, but their £200,000 chief executives seem to get away with that as well.

Now if you just get a conscience and start caring about civil liberties and freedom as well.

Jesus Christ on a bike, I have already said NL was to authoritarian that does not stop me despising the Tory party and (nearly) all it stands for.

You still have not answered my question probably because like me you cannot think of one thing the Tories have done for the poor and needy (I will add specifically for the poor and needy). Just admit it you cant think of one.

Then you would find a home in the Conservative party. Dont think so, I always
had aspirations and ambnitions but I never wanted to get on by trampling those less fortunate underfoot so I could never be a Tory (pukes at the thought).

I believe that the problem we face these days and for the foreseeable future is a cultural one. Past Governments have created a culture where many people are no longer able to deal with their own problems, it's a state of mind that creates a mentality of "things are becoming difficult therefore the State must sort it out for me".

The benefit system should be a safety net...for far too many (but not all) it has become a lifestyle choice. That has to change.

I cannot believe any politician goes into politics to cut benefits for those in need but the problem that we face as a nation with regard to managing Govenment debt makes that a necessary evil.

It would be great to promise this and promise that like Miliband, Balls and the other deficit deniers are doing but someone has to pay for it.

The big difference between the Coalition and the previous Labour Government is that this lot have the guts to take difficult decisions whereas the Labour Party were (and still are) too spineless to do it.

Could you see to the snow thing, please?

Are you sure it isn't all your fault, Romanygypsywitch? You didn't let slip a curse, did you? [scared icon]

agreed claig.

dont know if you spotted what the bankers bonus is did you? Absolutely obsurd amount for a bloody jobs worth!

I dont know who is worse the bankers or the lay abouts?! both are the biggest drain on society. HOwever both seem to be getting away with it scot-free as they say

I have a feeling we will see more business go under this coming year, what with the VAT increase aswell. I know many who are already struggling.

Let us pray there is no snow in the coming months, that is another thread i think!

romany, you make some great points. You are spot on about the price of petrol. Most of that price is tax, and it is a taxation on business and people. It harms our economy. We have to get the economy moving and business booming, and milking the public and business is not the way to go about it.

@ claig

'the lazy sit about arseholes who keep popping out kids willy-nilly and claiming fraudulantly! sitting in there homes with all the latest mod cons claiming single person benefits when they actually have a partner working full time living in the house!'

please, can we stop bringing the MPs into this?

Its all fair and well blaming this person then another person! There are a number of people to blame for the state were in now!

1. all governments! they have allowed the fraudulant claims and greedy bankers for far to long! they are only punishing the disabled and the truthfull needing people now as they have fucked it and they are in the shit!!

2. the lazy sit about arseholes who keep popping out kids willy-nilly and claiming fraudulantly! sitting in there homes with all the latest mod cons claiming single person benefits when they actually have a partner working full time living in the house! its fucking scandallous and has gone on for far to long!!
   And these teenage yobs who leave school and decide that the dole is the best way to go! so they sit and smoke weed and scrounge off of the tax payers!!

Its a fucking disgusting way of life we live in and someone somewhere needs to stand up and be heard!!!

We need to cut JSA for anyone who has been on it for more than 6months and not had any job or refused training!

we need to be having housing officers going to peoples houses and checking their claims are not fraudulant! and making a bloody example of these who think it is their god given right to get free money forever!!

What we dont need is the tax payer having all these rises on fuel & food!! £12.79 for 10 litres of petrol!! its fucking a rip off!

We should not be cutting DLA payments just because it will help the deficit! we should be checking what individual people need and ensuring they are allocated the money which they need to be able to survive!

As the public we need to remember we voted the Tories into power! and previously voted Labour into power! We have the power to make changes and make ourselves heard!!

No, I won't be going. But I echo what Hammerlikedaisies said

'Good luck to those of you who are marching on Monday. I'm really glad you're going, and thank you for protesting against this on behalf of everyone else who will ever need some help from the state.'

and good luck to the pensioners' march and to the students as well.

Well it seems that you don't like New Labour at all. You agree with Gideon about the size of the banks and the need for better regulation. Now if you just get a conscience and start caring about civil liberties and freedom as well, then you would find a home in the Conservative party.

"Claig, please name me one thing the Tories have ever done for the poor and needy, simple request, I cant think of one. I can however think of a few good things they have opposed or nasty things they have done".

Try reading "for the poor and needy". not those that are for everyone, as for medicine and public health didn't the Tories oppose the formation of the NHS.

I have already said NL was far to authoritarian.

erm....Newwave. I know you are no fan of the Tories but the banking crisis happened under Labour. The bailout happened under Labour too.

The huge pension payoff was under Labour rule too.

Oh and when Labour bailed out RBS, Lloyds & HBOS they didn't have the foresight to curb bonuses when they had them by the short & curlies.

So I think what you meant to say was:

SAME OLD TORY LABOUR GOVERNMENT SCUM, SAME OLD TORY LABOUR SUPPORTERS