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I'm appalled by Cameron

114 replies

kittycat37 · 19/01/2011 22:56

I just posted some of this on another thread here but wanted to re-post because I wonder how many others are just utterly appalled by Cameron?

I've never been a tory, but I have to admit I slightly fell for the 'nice guy' stuff before the election. But I'm utterly shocked by his complacency and callousness now.

He made so much out of 'understanding' the needs of the vulnerable and made much of his supposed personal understanding of the needs of carers.

So how on earth can he account for what's actually happening now?

My Dad has chronic multiple sclerosis. My Mum is his carer, she has had a stroke. They have worked all their lives, paid taxes, contributed to their community in many ways.

Through no fault of their own they now need the help SS for basic care.

But the government is washing it's hands of their needs and the needs of countless others. They are trying to blame future inevitable demise of SS care visits on local councils because they refuse to ring fence social care money. Their ideologically fuelled cuts to councils are so extreme that councils will have little choice but to cut social care in many cases.

We (me and my siblings) do what we can to help with my parents' care needs. But we are cracking under the strain.

When we phone SS for more help they say 'not in the economic climate'.

I wish I could tell Cameron to his face how utterly desperate we feel. I wish I could explain how when I am trying to care for my parents and my two young DDs, I feel that something dangerous is about to happen as the demands are too much. We not able to access a multi million pound trust fund as he could to buy care for his poor son.

And to make matters worse, the government are proposing to abolish Disability Living Allowance because it is apparently a 'barrier to work' for people like my parents. So now they are being made to feel like worthless scroungers because they made the 'mistake' of becoming ill.

Meanwhile; if you're a banker, enjoy your second or third home confident in the knowledge that this government won't be doing anything to reign in your greedy excess.

These are bad times and the sooner we can get rid of this lying, complacent, cruel, immoral
government the better. Cameron, I thought you would know better with what you'd been through, but a tory is obviously still a tory. 'All in this together'? What a joke.

OP posts:
Greycoat · 22/01/2011 15:20

How about stopping the war and giving the money saved to the care of the disabled?

Greycoat · 22/01/2011 15:19

how about stopping fighting wars and giving more money to the care of the disabled and the vulnerable instead?

GooseFatRoasties · 22/01/2011 09:36

I am disgusted by Cameron.

The removal of the mobility component for people in care homes is a disgrace. People need to get out and about for the sake of their emotional health.

The scrapping of the independent living fund.

The proposed scrapping of DLA for another benefit which will cost 20% less. 20% less than DLA which has an etimated fraud rate of less than 1%.
That's just a cut dressed up as a change. Disability Living Allowance helps people with their mobility and care needs which cause a lot of the additional cost of being disabled. This CUT will lead to widespread poverty and isolation.

Things were not perfect under Labour but this is just sticking the boot in. Kicking people when they are down.

BeenBeta · 21/01/2011 07:59

With respect the the EU I would be happy for the UK to be in a Schengen Area type agreement to promote free movement of goods and people. I am not in any way keen to see a 'cutting off' of Europe of isolate the UK.

Interestingly, there has been discussion yesterday between the Prime Ministers of the Nordic and Baltic countries and UK to set up some kind of Northern League.

It seems to me that the EU has to fragment into trading and currency blocks to make it manageable anyway. The creation of a Northern and Southern EU each with its own currency o perhaps several currencies is essentially beginning to be discussed.

We need the UK to be in Europe, pro-Europe but not run by Europe and certainly not transferring billions of pounds to it. We need that money to care for our vulnerable and sick and educate our children as per the OP.

longfingernails · 21/01/2011 00:33

Some of the crazier examples aside (bendy bananas etc) I actually don't mind the minimum quality requirements - providing they are universally agreed.

What I mind massively is the encroachment of the EU onto big areas of social policy, justice, and sovereignty itself.

huddspur · 20/01/2011 23:22

Even if we were to leave the EU (which I don't want to) we'd still have to obey the majority of their regulations. All goods and services that are sold in the EU must meet EU regulations whether they are produced by a member state or not.

imright · 20/01/2011 23:16

LFN. Well said.

imright · 20/01/2011 23:14

When the EU was introduced to this country it was for 'trading purposes only' and I believe, had six countries in it. It has changed out of all recognition.

We should leave the EU, still trade with other countries and retain the 16 billion that is given, to this bloated monster. No in future I think I will call the EU 'Jabba', it's what someone unkindly called my cat, I was so upset when I found out what it was! It's more pertinent to the EU than my lovely cat!! Grin

longfingernails · 20/01/2011 23:12

You miss my point. Pulling out of the EU doesn't mean we can't trade with the member states.

Do you really think France is going to give up on tens of billions of pounds/euros worth of cross-Channel trade, just to prove a political point? Do you think Audi and BMW won't want to continue to sell their cars here?

Pulling out of the EU doesn't mean no free trade. Indeed, if the EU were just what it was meant to be - a free trade area - I would support it.

The problem is that it is trying to become a superstate, with absolutely no democratic mandate, and precious little accountability.

imright · 20/01/2011 23:04

LFN. We could always trade with other countries if we are not in the EU. Switzerland had the sense to stay out and they trade don't they?

complimentary · 20/01/2011 23:02

Labour Party FFS a right bunch of illiberal. money wasting b'stards if ever there were ones. UKIP is not phobic about anyone, they only to protect Britains interests. Unlike the Labour party who wanted to sell this country down the river, and nearly managed it. Until Cameron came along, and had to sort out the mess that they made. The labour party was to controlling and wanted to control everything including our lives with ID cards. Under labour the oridinary person could not have a piss without them watching.

Your lovely ED Balls, a bastard if ever there was one put 30.000 childrens names on hate registers (and that included nursery children) We lost many freedoms under labour and I'm glad they have gone. You call 900,000
mad who voted UKIP? do behave yourself and get a grip.

I know who sounds swivel eyed and it's most of the labour Party! Grin cheers!

Newwave. why do you always resort to name calling? Face the facts 900.000 voted for them because they were fed up with the other parties. Mostly disgruntled Labour/Tory supporters.

Portofino · 20/01/2011 22:41

lol at mercibucket. I rather rely on being able to work within the EU, well for my job, and my DH's job, and the reciprocal pension arrangements and all that. If someone is going to close the borders I only hope i am allowed to stay this side, away from the xenophobic loons.

mercibucket · 20/01/2011 22:35

please don't ever pull out of the EU - we'll all be stuck here for good then. at least now we can pop across the channel if it all goes tits up here

longfingernails · 20/01/2011 22:33

We can't afford to close our markets with European countries - but equally, they can't afford to close their markets to us, even collectively.

It would be an almost trivial exercise to negotiate free trade deals with all existing EU countries.

Portofino · 20/01/2011 22:23

But who will the UK trade with? Do we want tariffs on all our imports/exports?

newwave · 20/01/2011 22:09

UKIP ffs, swivel eyed xenophobic little Englanders.

longfingernails · 20/01/2011 22:09

I don't think there needs to be any supranational declarations of human rights beyond "torture is universally wrong".

I really like the First Amendment in the US Constitution, but it certainly isn't universally accepted practice, even amongst Western democracies. If the ECHR were limited to "torture is wrong, and everyone must be allowed to freely express their views" then it would be fine.

Other things are the preserve of individual countries. It isn't some unknown grey Eurocrat's business whether prisoners in British jails can vote or not.

mercibucket · 20/01/2011 22:08

It's Gideon who rules the roost - direct your hatred his way

huddspur · 20/01/2011 22:05

LFN- I don't think a new Government should come in and just rip up a declaration of human rights and write a new one that better suits its views.

complimentary · 20/01/2011 22:04

The Greens are useless and want to stay in the EU I'm glad they were beaten in some areas they stood in, by UKIP. The Greens are socialists with another name.

UKIP received 2000 votes in Oldham and the Tories 4000? and they are a major party? Grin

newwave · 20/01/2011 22:02

Clegg and integrity and strangers I am afraid, he is part of this "shower of shite".

DrNortherner · 20/01/2011 21:54

I have never voted Tory and never will. DC scares me. I am scared for education and scared for the NHS and scared for hard working low income families.

I hope Dennis Healy is right. And I hope NC finally shows some integrity and pulls the plug on this shower of shite.

BeenBeta · 20/01/2011 21:49

I vaguley remember reading about this and did rather foolishly believe it would be a very limited delegation to major G20 nations, etc.

This is just way over the top and yet we see the EU member states themselves stagger from day to day bailed out by ECB money. No wonder the Eurocrats will do anything and spend anything to keep the gravy train on the rails.

longfingernails · 20/01/2011 21:49

Yes, I think we should leave the ECHR - and have a British Bill of Rights and Responsibilities, just like the Tories said in their manifesto.

And the 50% tax rate barely raises any tax. I am first and foremost a fiscal conservative - deficit reduction must generally come before tax cuts. However, given the minimal amount raised by the 50% top rate, and the strong empirical evidence that lowering over-high tax rates can increase total tax take, it is ludicrous to keep it at 50% out of fear of the political backlash.

The most talented people in the world can choose where they work. We should do everything to make them want to choose Britain. Why would anyone choose to pay a income tax rate of 50% (actually, well over 60% once you include National Insurance).

complimentary · 20/01/2011 21:45

Caribbean!