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I'm appalled by Cameron

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kittycat37 · 19/01/2011 22:56

I just posted some of this on another thread here but wanted to re-post because I wonder how many others are just utterly appalled by Cameron?

I've never been a tory, but I have to admit I slightly fell for the 'nice guy' stuff before the election. But I'm utterly shocked by his complacency and callousness now.

He made so much out of 'understanding' the needs of the vulnerable and made much of his supposed personal understanding of the needs of carers.

So how on earth can he account for what's actually happening now?

My Dad has chronic multiple sclerosis. My Mum is his carer, she has had a stroke. They have worked all their lives, paid taxes, contributed to their community in many ways.

Through no fault of their own they now need the help SS for basic care.

But the government is washing it's hands of their needs and the needs of countless others. They are trying to blame future inevitable demise of SS care visits on local councils because they refuse to ring fence social care money. Their ideologically fuelled cuts to councils are so extreme that councils will have little choice but to cut social care in many cases.

We (me and my siblings) do what we can to help with my parents' care needs. But we are cracking under the strain.

When we phone SS for more help they say 'not in the economic climate'.

I wish I could tell Cameron to his face how utterly desperate we feel. I wish I could explain how when I am trying to care for my parents and my two young DDs, I feel that something dangerous is about to happen as the demands are too much. We not able to access a multi million pound trust fund as he could to buy care for his poor son.

And to make matters worse, the government are proposing to abolish Disability Living Allowance because it is apparently a 'barrier to work' for people like my parents. So now they are being made to feel like worthless scroungers because they made the 'mistake' of becoming ill.

Meanwhile; if you're a banker, enjoy your second or third home confident in the knowledge that this government won't be doing anything to reign in your greedy excess.

These are bad times and the sooner we can get rid of this lying, complacent, cruel, immoral
government the better. Cameron, I thought you would know better with what you'd been through, but a tory is obviously still a tory. 'All in this together'? What a joke.

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ivanhoe · 08/02/2011 21:46

""Anyone with half a brain must have known that voting for a party of nimby millionaires would result in what we are getting. Isn't he just finishing off what Maggie started?""

British voters are largely thick.

dotnet · 06/02/2011 15:47

I sort of agree yelloutloud - people should have seen how things were likely to go.

But it's always like this, isn't it - after a while, when one particular party has held the reins for some time, people start saying 'Give the other lot a chance.'

What was particularly awful to me, as a Labour voter, was the knife-edge thing - would the LibDems go with Cameron or with Labour?

They made a bad, bad decision.

I do feel a BIT sorry for them, even so; because the majority of the LibDems, in the event, DID do the right thing by the students; they didn't toe the new party line as promulgated by Vince Cable; they DID vote against trebling tuition fees.

By Nick Clegg allying his party with the Conservatives, he has turned his MPs into the Light Brigade.

He's killed 'em.

yelloutloud · 06/02/2011 15:22

Anyone with half a brain must have known that voting for a party of nimby millionaires would result in what we are getting. Isn't he just finishing off what Maggie started?

ivanhoe · 06/02/2011 12:55

""You really need that explained to you Ivanhoe"" ( im assuming this was a question ?)

From you I do yes

magicbutterfly · 06/02/2011 08:11

"Elaberate how the spending was out of control ?"

You really need that explained to you Ivanhoe. As I said before, you simply answer questions with another question. I;ve seen the videos you posted on youtube under the name imonthebox, and they prove you know very little about politics.

thunderchild · 06/02/2011 00:22

kitycat37

Im so sorry to hear your story, but I fear it will prove all to common. Why do you think they want to ----

a, make all parliaments 5 years--they know thy've got one chance(it also reduces the chance of opposition delaying tactics working) at dismantling 60 years of social progress

b, realign and reduce constituency boudaries-- hence ensuring labour will never get an English majority in the next elelection.

To all out there banging on about the deficit, we managed to create an NHS on a functionsal deficit of 75% (i could be wrong it could have been worse) and we've had these levels of debt (35 to 42%) for the last THIRTY years!

Also, its the lies.... let me name a few, VAT,UNI FEES, THE NHS ooh yes and PROTECTING THE VULNERABLE, just naming a few.

And here's whats so surprising, out of all my friends who said they'd vote Tory I cannot find ONE who admits (now)that they did!

I'm a forces veteran (so usualy you'd expect me to be a core tory voter)and I warned all my friends that they'd cut our pensions ( which at the time they said the wouldn't), and they've allready re indexed the forces widows (and thus cut)pension---- and instead of telling us directly about our pensions, they've been pretty quiet about the fact that they HAVE (surprise)included forces pensions in the public services pension review

let me get this streight, I'm not happy to have been proven right,(schadenfrued is misplaced when people suffer) I'm angry and downright scared. Cameron has managed something saddam and milosevic never could, make me feel helpless and impotent-against an ideolocicaly driven cabinet of millionaires.

So as soon as its legal for me to do so, Im joining the Labour party and UNITE, because I WILL NOT STAND BY AND WATCH THE WEAK GET BULLIED BY EGREGIOUS VESTED INTEREST,VENALITY AND DUPLICITY!!!!

ok (breathing out now) rant over!

Also, can anyone please explain why they didn't have an equality impact(a little matter of statute law overlooked by the chancellor) assessement done on their budget-if its fair an'all?--- I'l leave the fawcett society to get THAT answer!

ivanhoe · 05/02/2011 23:59

""magicbutterfly Fri 04-Feb-11 20:58:11
I know you of old Ivanhoe. You like to ask questions but you never answer those put to you. Old Labour left this country almost bankrupt with their out of control spending.Now which part of that statement can you not understand ?""

Elaberate how the spending was out of control ?

ivanhoe · 05/02/2011 23:51

""It was Labour who got us into this mess in the first place. Have you all forgotten that???? """

What year was this then ?

magicbutterfly · 04/02/2011 20:58

I know you of old Ivanhoe. You like to ask questions but you never answer those put to you. Old Labour left this country almost bankrupt with their out of control spending.Now which part of that statement can you not understand ?

ivanhoe · 03/02/2011 13:50

No, I didnt think you would

ivanhoe · 02/02/2011 14:32

I didnt say that. I asked you to elaberate on your question ?

I was born, raised, and worked when "traditional" Labour Government's' were running my country.

Now please elaberate on your question ?

magicbutterfly · 02/02/2011 14:15

So you don't know anything about labour governments ?

ivanhoe · 02/02/2011 13:30

""magicbutterfly Wed 02-Feb-11 12:09:32
Ivanhoe

Why do all Labour governments always leave this country in such a dire finacial mess ?""

Please can you elaberate on your own question ?, thus enabling me to give you a better answer.

magicbutterfly · 02/02/2011 12:09

Ivanhoe

Why do all Labour governments always leave this country in such a dire finacial mess ?

ivanhoe · 02/02/2011 10:38

""dotnet Wed 02-Feb-11 10:13:06
imright You say since when did the Labour party care about the poor?
Last government - pension credit, child tax credit, winter fuel payments, minimum wage, free bus travel for pensioners, working tax credit, new deal 50plus, New Deal for Communities, EMA ....

There are loads more things the last government did which helped people who don't have a lot of money- those nine are just a few which spring to mind.

A big blot on the copybook, though, - Blair's letting down of our students by taking away the right to free higher education for our brightest kids.""

Now if ""Labour" had stuck to it's "traditional" values, from 1997, Labour would have ditched the free market working without State intervention, and brought in State subsidy and investment into all our existing vital services.

They would have also abolished the unjust council tax, and increased income tax on middle and high earners, they would have built council housing for people who could not afford to buy, they would have restored the state pensions link to earnings or inflation whichever ever the higher and abolished the means test that pensioners had to endure under Thatcher.

And they would have had fair and equal re-distribution of wealth.

So the entire country could have enjoyed the proper wealth of this country without being means tested for handouts as per you mentioning tax credits and pensions credits as above copied and pasted.

By doing as you explained and which again I copied and pasted at the top, New Labour widened the rich and poor devide left by Margaret hatcher and John Major.

But as you rightly point out, "New" Labour did relativelly good things, and they are now going to be destroyed by David Cameron simply because of right wing ideoligy, and not because of cutting any deficit.

dotnet · 02/02/2011 10:13

imright You say since when did the Labour party care about the poor?
Last government - pension credit, child tax credit, winter fuel payments, minimum wage, free bus travel for pensioners, working tax credit, new deal 50plus, New Deal for Communities, EMA ....

There are loads more things the last government did which helped people who don't have a lot of money- those nine are just a few which spring to mind.

A big blot on the copybook, though, - Blair's letting down of our students by taking away the right to free higher education for our brightest kids.

feetontheground · 01/02/2011 18:02

:)

newwave · 01/02/2011 17:55

FOTG, :o

I will take your word on that. I was visiting a client who does not have a car park, ended up in Wickes.

feetontheground · 01/02/2011 17:49

Actually newwave, you can blame the lack of parking spaces indeed on the labour government. The councils where instructed to provide only a third of the parking spaces actually needed in new housing developments so people would be encouraged to use the bus or alternative measures. That led to the introduction of the totally over the top Fastlane buses that are far too big for our roads. They have upgraded and rebuilt all bus stops with electronic signs and rebuilt numerous roads to accommodate the huge buses. What was wrong with using the existing smaller buses but make sure they run more often and on time and are affordable for a family of 4 to actually use it instead of a car? Better yet they should have invested into save cycle paths and safe pavements without potholes.

newwave · 01/02/2011 17:16

slug, dont forget GB was responsible for the downturns in Ireland, Greece,Spain and Portugal along with the Iceland banking crisis.

Obama should have him arrested for the USA's financial problems as well.

I could not find an empty parking space today, BLOODY BROWN {angry}

slug · 01/02/2011 17:09

Gosh, and there was I thinking the downturn was the result of sub prime mortgage lending in the USA and the banks doing dodgy deals with bundles of mortgages while creating financial instruments that nobody understood.

It was all Gordon's fault...silly me.

There's some very interesting podcasts about the financial meltdown here

feetontheground · 01/02/2011 16:46

It was Labour who got us into this mess in the first place. Have you all forgotten that???? They squandered money we didn't have and they allowed the banks to lend money to people who could never pay it back. Brown has sold our gold reserve for a pittance and under Labour the counsils lost our money in Iceland.
And as for Cameron it is a disgrace that he retreats on all the promises he made in the first place but that's because his hands are tight by the Lib Dems.

ivanhoe · 01/02/2011 14:44

""kerstina Tue 01-Feb-11 12:22:39
I was Appalled at Cameron yesterday as he referred to patients as customers at GP 's surgeries. . Says it all really am very depressed""

Yes, says it all really, and Clegg is going along with it all.

kerstina · 01/02/2011 12:22

I was Appalled at Cameron yesterday as he referred to patients as customers at GP 's surgeries. Sad. Says it all really am very depressed.

ivanhoe · 31/01/2011 18:56

""I didn't notice the Labour Party caring for anyone 'but the rich'. Since when did the Labour Party care about the poor? not since the 70's my bet.
The labour Party is one of ruination not aspiration! Anyone who thinks they are any better IMHO is bonkers!""

  1. New Labour were3'nt Labour, they had a Thatcherite Agenda.
  1. We can thank "traditional" Labour and the Liberals, for the NHS, the minimum wage, the welfare state, ect, and that's not caring about the poor ?