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100 days of Red Ed

91 replies

longfingernails · 03/01/2011 00:49

What has he done in those 100 days? Nothing, as far as I can tell.

He has no policies on anything, no idea about how Labour would cut the deficit other than the same tired old cliches of "tax the banks".

He has shamelessly and irresponsibly opposed every single spending cut and tax rise to pay necessary to pay for the decade of Labour profligacy.

He still has absolutely no answer to that most fundamental of questions: What Would You Do?

When will he get a grip?

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longfingernails · 03/01/2011 21:43

The "foreign scroungers" thing is very well backed up by the evidence.

There is a particular problem of benefit scrounging amongst particular ethnic groups.

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/11/work_benefits_and_ethnicity.html

No doubt Labour will say it is because certain groups of immigrants are oppressed, that they need support, that they need coddling. I say, nonsense. If you want to come to Britain, then don't sponge off the State. It's that simple.

Overt racism is all but dead in London - the last time I experienced it was over 8 years ago.

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LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 21:42

Of the 610,245 immigrants to the UK during the July to September 2009 period, 371,000 were students who can apply for a NI number and work part time legally, but cannot claim benefits.

That leaves 239,245 potential benefits claimants.

Of these 239,245, 112,000 were work permit holders and their dependents, all of who can work, apply for a NI No but who again cannot claim benefits.

That leaves 127,245. Of these 85,000 were UK residents, some of whom may or may not be perfectly entitled to claim benefits. Others due to the length of time spent outside the UK, will not be entitled to claim certain benefits. That leaves us with 42,245.

29,085 of these were from eastern European countries that require worker registration. As stated above, some of these are entitled under reciprocal EU arrangements to certain benefits.

Of the remaining 13,160, 5,055 were asylum seekers. The remainder would be Youth Mobility, Ancestry visa entrants and such, none of whom can claim benefits.

longfingernails · 03/01/2011 21:35

I am in favour of more immigration - much more immigration - but only the right sort of immigrants. Highly qualified, highly skilled immigrants, yes.

Those who are just going to scrounge, no thank you.

Sadly, I don't think we should unskilled immigrants working really hard in low-paid jobs either - though I would far rather have them here than a native dole scrounger.

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newwave · 03/01/2011 21:34

LBB, the Tory barrel has no bottom.

In most organisations the cream rises to the top, in the Tory party the scum sits on the surface.

During Osbournes parliamentary speech outlining his cuts the filth on his back benches were laughing and shouting "more more" did they give a flying fuck that lives would be blighted? not for one moment, did they worry that the cuts would lead to people dying due to lack of care, never entered their heads.

And LFN says to describe the Tories as uncaring is "stupid" what i would ask her whenever was the Tory party decent and caring. Never in my life time

newwave · 03/01/2011 21:28

No - IDS will align the financial incentives, in order that they find it makes more sense to get a job, and find it makes more sense to stay in a job.

How will he do this? by increasing the minimum wage above poverty levels or by cutting benifits to below starvation level?

LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 21:27

"imported millions of foreign scroungers"

Oh dear LFN that really is scraping the bottom of the Tory barrel

LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 21:26

Firstly, growth wasn't 'very high' in the lead up to November - it grew 0.7% for Q3 2010.

Are you saying that it is not true that many economists and others predict that pressing on with austerity measures will depress the economy and lead to real-term wage cuts?

longfingernails · 03/01/2011 21:18

Growth was very high (perhaps too high, bearing in mind our inflation level) in the lead-up to November, so that isn't a very plausible narrative, LadyBlaBlah.

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longfingernails · 03/01/2011 21:16

Why do Labour oppose a £400 a week limit for housing benefit, then?

Why do they oppose housing benefit claimants having to live in 30th percentile properties, rather than 50th percentile properties?

Labour ignored the working class, did everything possible to encourage a scrounger class, and imported millions of foreign scroungers for purely electoral reasons. That it started to reverse some of its own bonkers policies towards the end of its term, isn't something to be particularly proud of.

If Labour really cared about welfare reform, it would have listened to Frank Field or James Purnell, instead of marginalising them.

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LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 21:14

Well, as someone has commented in the article I posted:

Are "November's borrowing figures" the reason why we need decisive action?

Or are "November's borrowing figures" the consequence of decisive action?

Or put another way (by another commenter):

Austerity driven cuts = low growth = high deficit = we need more austerity = lower growth = higher deficit = we need even more austerity = even lower growth = even higher deficit = ok now we really need austerity.

Surely the signs that they have made idiotic decisions are clear (house prices, borrowing, inflation, unemployment, available jobs) that it really is time for Plan B.

LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 21:10

May I take you back to 2008?

LFN, really it is not true that Labour did not penalise people who didn't look for work, or claimed Incapacity Benefit when they didn't deserve it

longfingernails · 03/01/2011 21:09

LadyBlaBlah It is a serious problem - so what do you suggest to do about it?

I hope it is just the Debt Management Office being prudent. They should borrow as much as they can now, while the market interest rates are at historic lows (because Britain is seen as a flight to safety compared to Eurozone countries, and even the US). Profiling the way we borrowing over the next couple of years intelligently could save billions of pounds in interest payments.

However, I fear it is because Labour's toxic legacy is even worse than expected.

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LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 21:05

Just a query - but for all this talk about cuts and deficit reduction, how come in November there was the largest government borrowing of any month ever recorded and the deficit went up way beyond analyst predictions?

poor george

LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 21:00

As for the OP - as others have stated, Labour don't need to be offering alternative policies for now. They need to set the pathetic rhetoric you keep quoting about "the worst deficit in the Western world". Untrue. The coalition are doing a good enough job in self combusting and becoming parodies of themselves - if anyone can hear any single one of them talk without saying the soundbite "sorting out this almighty mess left by the last Labour government" bla bla bla, then I will eat my own head. Ed don't need to worry for now.....they are doing his work for him.

longfingernails · 03/01/2011 21:00

thebrownstuff LOL :o

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longfingernails · 03/01/2011 20:59

I think the big economic problem on the horizon will be inflation, not unemployment.

That is why I am a bit wary of the VAT rise.

Inflation is the inevitable consequence of the quantitative easing and low interest rates binge.

Hopefully the big fiscal cuts will compensate for the big monetary stimulus.

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thebrownstuff · 03/01/2011 20:57

Here's my contribution to the thread Ed's Policies I'm in the know

longfingernails · 03/01/2011 20:57

newwave Tony Blair lost local elections left, right and centre throughout his terms in office. So did Maggie.

Like Thatcher, though, he never lost a general election.

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longfingernails · 03/01/2011 20:56

newwave Not true. There are several hundred thousand vacancies, right now.

The policies of this government will shrink the public sector (but not that much, when viewed against the apocalyptic rhetoric). It needs to stimulate the private sector to compensate though. The best way to stimulate growth would be to scrap the 50p top income tax rate - it barely brings in any money anyway. One way to make it politically feasible, though perhaps administratively too complicated, is to say that the 50p tax rate will only be scrapped for those people who can show that they employ 3 or more other people.

LadyBlaBlah Unfortunately, under the policies of the last government, it was entirely rational for certain people to choose welfare over work. That will hopefully not be possible when the new welfare changes kick in.

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newwave · 03/01/2011 20:54

Whilst important, those elections shouldn't be regarded as completely kosher barometers of public opinion though. They will largely just be about the usual anti-incumbency mood.

Less than 9 months in office, normally the honeymoon period lasts a bit longer.

Think about it, even with all the poor news for Labour the Tories failed to get a majority and after 9 months you think the "country" will vote against them, hardly a ringing endorsement is it.

In 4+ years of taking the axe to valued social services and increasing social division the Tories will be out of office for a long time.

LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 20:53

And before you quote Hameron's BS figures.......

"In response to a question on the increase in unemployment by the Labour leader, Ed Mili­band, at Prime Minister's Questions on 15 December, David Cameron said: "While part of the figures are disappointing, they are mixed because we did see the claimant count has come down in the unemployment figures and also we are seeing an increase in the number of vacancies in our economy. Every day, there are another 10,000 vacancies. So, yes, we have got to get the private sector going, increase the number of jobs that are available." They sure do.
Pretty vacant

The claimant count, which excludes many of the unemployed, including all 16-to-17-year-olds, fell by a paltry 1,200. Cameron misspoke, as vacancies are not rising by 10,000 a day. Far from it. Over the quarter, they in fact grew by only 1,000. So, assuming there are about 91 days in every quarter, the number of vacancies grew by only 11 a day, not 10,000.

Anyway, this increase was driven primarily by a one-off increase in vacancies in the public sector. As is made clear in a note on page nine
of the data release, the estimate for the three months to November 2010 includes vacancies for temporary jobs in connection with the 2011 census, which have been advertised by the Office for National Statistics since October 2010.

Excluding these census vacancies, there were 455,000 vacancies in the three months to November 2010, down 12,000 from the three months to August 2010, or 132 a day. Private-sector vacancies fell at a rate of 55 a day.

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Taken from here

TheSecondComing · 03/01/2011 20:47

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newwave · 03/01/2011 20:46

LFN, what bloody jobs! your party will INCREASE unemployment not reduce it, I ask again what jobs.

Pie in the sky

LadyBlaBlah · 03/01/2011 20:42

LFN - the last government and all previous governments have introduced financial incentives to get people back into work. It is a myth that IDS is doing anything new in that respect.

It is new however to introduce the feckless, scrounging, "get the bus" rhetoric back into it, all the while slashing jobs.

longfingernails · 03/01/2011 20:32

No - IDS will align the financial incentives, in order that they find it makes more sense to get a job, and find it makes more sense to stay in a job.

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