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Supporting disbaled people unsustainable?

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SantasMooningArse · 07/12/2010 13:31

here

I hate this sort of uncertainty. I have trained part and full time for seven years now alongside two disabled kids to get to the point where I was hoping to train in social work in 2013- but if DLA vaniushes it will be unaffordable. I feel we have lived up to every Tory ideal, battling redundancy, my DH's illness and the boy's SN with constant battles to get back on line, and now I think I might just give up after all- can;t train until thenas no childcare means DH must be working from home to care and he dosn;t qualify until then, and we will need to move and cannot do so with the SNU realistically until 2013 (a SW trained where we are in Wales cannot practice in England but we need to get back to family badly for support and help, both for them as they age and us as we try and fit in work).

Working in tesco woudln't ever cover the huge costs of disability childcare.

I acknowledge that this is a left wing article, there's a thread on this in SN with a less reactionary letter from teh NAS C&P's to it, but is this how big society was meant to work? Sorry disabled people, there's no money- saldy when it comes to ds3 there's no cure either- can I never afford to die then? Will there be any care left for him?

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newwave · 08/12/2010 23:13

The Conservative Party under Churchill in 1945 was a totally different beast to the modern day Conservative Party

No it is not just better at hiding it.

newwave · 08/12/2010 23:11

The consortiums will ration treatment and operations to increase "shareholder value"

newwave · 08/12/2010 23:10

Why is having private companies in healthcare a bad thing? THIS IS WHY

The Doctor consortiums will end up as private companies with shareholders to "feed". Money for patients will end up as dividends and bonuses.

TBH I would outlaw private heath care, bloody queue jumpers the lot of them. My son got hurt skiing (ankle injury) 10 week plus wait on the NHS his company had private healthcare and he was seen at a time he liked with 7 days. wrong wrong wrong

huddspur · 08/12/2010 23:05

Are they not giving doctors more autonomy in order to reduce the number of bureaucrats and the amount of red tape that exists in the NHS.
Why is having private companies in healthcare a bad thing?

ThisIsANiceCage · 08/12/2010 23:04

"I think there's more chance of Gordon Brown being hired as a special advisor on fiscal responsibility than the NHS becoming pay at the point of service."

God I hope you're right. But we may have to fight to keep it that way - you'll be there to wheel me out and build me into a barricade won't you? Grin

But DLA is good for the NHS, n'est-ce pas? As I understand it, it's cheaper to keep people at home with low level, often non-specialist, care than to wait till things go pear-shaped and intervene very expensively.

newwave · 08/12/2010 23:01

hudd, so why do the Tories want to turn the NHS into a cash cow for private enterprise.

The Doctor consortiums will end up as private companies with shareholders to "feed". Money for patients will end up as dividends and bonuses.

Keep private companies out of the NHS.

huddspur · 08/12/2010 22:46

The Conservative Party under Churchill in 1945 was a totally different beast to the modern day Conservative Party so I don't think you can make comparisons. The health budget is one of the few budgets that is actually going to see a real terms increase in funding although it is likely to come under greater pressure due to the demographics of the society.

newwave · 08/12/2010 22:42

hudd, may I point out the Tories opposed the formation of the NHS and they want to destroy it, anything they say to the contrary are weasel words.

huddspur · 08/12/2010 22:37

thisisanicecage- I think there's more chance of Gordon Brown being hired as a special advisor on fiscal responsibility than the NHS becoming pay at the point of service.

ThisIsANiceCage · 08/12/2010 21:01

Sorry, that was about pay per use NHS.

ThisIsANiceCage · 08/12/2010 21:01

It's not a necessary consequence, but a lot of welfare-state-reformers would like it (that's the point of the new consortia - to create units of suitable size and structure for privatisation, either entirely or to buy in eg accounting, legal, admin services privately).

Additional pressure on the NHS from any quarter, but particularly from the workless (those scumbags) will add weight to the argument that in order to be Fair (TM), users should pay per visit.

Kaloki · 08/12/2010 20:57

"Surely this behaviour tilts the system towards fraudsters - if you're well and experienced, you're much more able to fashion a winning scorecard than someone exhausted and impaired?"

Exactly.

See to me it would make sense to contact the GP of the claimant, but they currently wont. And even when we got to the tribunal stage they still didn't, we had to provide it. Surely that would be more useful than the stupid forms.

huddspur · 08/12/2010 20:52

Why will the NHS become pay at the point of service? Confused

ThisIsANiceCage · 08/12/2010 20:49

There'll also be a major knock-on to the NHS. Which will become a pay-at-point-of-use service anyway... SadSad

ThisIsANiceCage · 08/12/2010 20:45

Also agree about suicides. Sad

ThisIsANiceCage · 08/12/2010 20:42

Oh I know, Kaloki. I've been going, "Must not join Mumsnet. Must not join Mumsnet!" just so I don't get sucked into one of those and burn clean out in an incandescent fury that would light small a town - briefly.

Best laid plans! Xmas Smile

Loudlass, last time I was expecting to appeal, we sat down ridiculously far in advance with Google and phone book to look for more disability charities in our area. (DP had to take a day off work to help: the irony...) Don't know if you might strike lucky with this?

It's depressing, this need for an advisor to fill in these forms, isn't it?

There was someone on a thread here who worked for the DWP, iirc, and while it was kind of her to say "Oh, phrase it like this," or "Make sure you get these words in", I found it pretty disturbing that she seemed content to play buzz-word bingo in her dayjob, instead of using her professionalism and human judgement to translate the non-expert forms into DWP-values. Which was surely the meat of her job?

Surely this behaviour tilts the system towards fraudsters - if you're well and experienced, you're much more able to fashion a winning scorecard than someone exhausted and impaired? What's more, if DWP staff behave like machines responding to checkboxes, they'll soon find themselves replaced by one. Maybe that's already happened to her. Confused

CardyMow · 08/12/2010 20:18

Blush Wrong end of the stick there! DC4 is due 16th January.

CardyMow · 08/12/2010 20:17

I can't reapply till the end of February, as I have to wait 6 months.

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SantasMooningArse · 08/12/2010 20:00

When is it you are due LL?

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CardyMow · 08/12/2010 19:55

Sancti - I may take you up on that offer in February. TBH, my seizures have 'slowed down' while I've been pregnant. But I'm concerned about how bad they're going to be once I've had the baby - my worst seizures were in the first year after having my last dc 7 years ago, so it could get much much worse. deep joy.

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SantasMooningArse · 08/12/2010 19:51

And agree about suicides; Dh tried to drive our car over a cliff, had called to say goodbye etc. It stalled.

My friend's son hung himself whilst depressed over £300 debts. £300. Bastard illness.

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SantasMooningArse · 08/12/2010 19:49

Right third attempt at a reply amonst the deleting ability of a flying mr potato head LOL

Pasty absolutely agree with all you say- Dh had Dh taken the Gps advice to pack work in earlier I doubt things would ahve got so bad for him, he was in haulage which is a notorious industry anyway. It took a redundancy to force a career change and he knows now if he refuses help again he ahs to go utnil he is well; there ahve to be limits. I;'d stillcare about him and support him, but either with him in a bedsit or MH unit; it was too damaging. Luckioly knwoing that emans he asks for help these days far earlier.

My kid's Sn is invisible as well- ds3 you can tell, but ds1 not unless he ahs a meltdown. he does however have eating disorders and severe aggression issues with his ASD but it depends as with many asd kids on when you se him whether you get NT or SN behaviours displayed. however as hte behaviour comes on instantly he needs 24/7 watching. Even then we've been too late a few times and missed some awful things.

One thing I am very keen on is that the Government start some extra training help for people to get back into work if they choose, I think it's an answer for many and we've fair bankrupted ourselves for it. I try and sell it to the Tories as 'this reduces state dependency'- what I really mean is 'disabled people and their carers could often benefit from having this as an option' Wink. I think it has to be approached that way, sadly, for this bunch to care.

And sorry not lougle, loudlass LOL- dopey tonight.

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pastyeater · 08/12/2010 19:49

I agree Kaloki, there are going to be suicides.

pastyeater · 08/12/2010 19:47

Oh, and here is a friend of mine story.

A friend of mine had a nervous breakdown and applied for ESA. It was refused. The questions and points system shocked me as I reckon I could easily have been refused when I was severely mentally ill. £65 per week for someone whose problems are likely to be severe and enduring is just wrong.It's hard enough just as a temporary measure for healthy jobseekers.

Kaloki · 08/12/2010 19:36

"I don't believe many genuine mental health claimants need poverty to force them back to work."

No, definitely not. In fact, with mental health problems, there is a huge risk that it would mean a loss of life.