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Supporting disbaled people unsustainable?

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SantasMooningArse · 07/12/2010 13:31

here

I hate this sort of uncertainty. I have trained part and full time for seven years now alongside two disabled kids to get to the point where I was hoping to train in social work in 2013- but if DLA vaniushes it will be unaffordable. I feel we have lived up to every Tory ideal, battling redundancy, my DH's illness and the boy's SN with constant battles to get back on line, and now I think I might just give up after all- can;t train until thenas no childcare means DH must be working from home to care and he dosn;t qualify until then, and we will need to move and cannot do so with the SNU realistically until 2013 (a SW trained where we are in Wales cannot practice in England but we need to get back to family badly for support and help, both for them as they age and us as we try and fit in work).

Working in tesco woudln't ever cover the huge costs of disability childcare.

I acknowledge that this is a left wing article, there's a thread on this in SN with a less reactionary letter from teh NAS C&P's to it, but is this how big society was meant to work? Sorry disabled people, there's no money- saldy when it comes to ds3 there's no cure either- can I never afford to die then? Will there be any care left for him?

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TotalChaos · 09/12/2010 11:00

thanks Riven for the useful link.

sarah293 · 09/12/2010 10:58

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mamatomany · 09/12/2010 10:56

We all eat too much and blow money on crap, we are all guilty of that. I pay £8 per month in health insurance, £2 a week, i'm sure most people could find that if they had to.

sarah293 · 09/12/2010 10:53

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TotalChaos · 09/12/2010 10:38

is there a link anywhere to where members of the public can contribute views to the consultation?

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SantasMooningArse · 09/12/2010 10:36

Just remember Poppy people like that are a minimum: there's a few bastards everywhere but you would be unlikely to meet one or two in a lifetime- and if you did they'd either keep their gobs shut becuase theya re the sort of ineffective twat that can only admit to such things on websites, genuinely beleive they didn't mean you but some random and DM inspired 'other' sort of person or be so obviously in possession of their own SN or MH issues that you would feel sympathy for them.

Most people might not know to speak up but would not want the disabled people of the UK to face any difficulties. most people are decent, you only ahve to see how shcoked people are when they enter the system and find that the help is so hard to access.

Even your average tory of lib dem would be shocked if the harshest options were taken to replace DLA, would help a constituent whose ESA had been wrongly removed.

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poppyknot · 09/12/2010 10:27

SantasMooningArse. I agree you perhaps shouldn't read them - I read them last night and this morning worse ones have been added...... Sad

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SantasMooningArse · 09/12/2010 10:18

Oh not going to read the links on the guardian page linked to; tend to try and avoid the views of people called things like germanicrex in an attempt to beleive humanity still is worth saving.

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SantasMooningArse · 09/12/2010 10:13

healthcare and education are the only things worth paying for? Erm, food? shelter? bills that do not mean you lose your shelter?

And whkilst I neleive in education for soem kids like ds3 it ain;t going to solve anything: it's bringing him on yes but couldn't to the level of work.

but yes- nowt to do with DLA.

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mamatomany · 09/12/2010 10:07

What a load of rubbish Blush

*maybe they should BUT they don't, so since there are no pockets in shrouds i'll pay for both happily.

mamatomany · 09/12/2010 10:05

The truth is Health care and education are the only things worth paying for and what most people could afford but refuse to on the basis that the state should cover it, maybe they should be they don't so since there are no pockets in shrouds I'll pay for both happily.

hotandhotter · 09/12/2010 10:00

I've used private healthcare for DS who has ASD, when the NHS queues were too long and my GP was unhelpful with referrals. I found the way we were treated astounding compared to the NHS, I felt my concerns were taken far more seriously and the reports we received were detailed and full of specific recommendations.

I won't hesitate to use private healthcare again, even though we'd struggle to afford it (I put his first assessment on my credit card and am still paying it off). To link it to the thread topic, I think the private reports helped us get DLA without having to appeal as they were so detailed. When his DLA/PIP renewal comes up, I will probably get reports done again if I feel any DWP tests don't take his needs fully into account.

poppyknot · 09/12/2010 09:58

There has (unsurpriingly Sad ) been little coverage in the press (the DM hasn't cottoned on yet....) but here is a Guardian article. The comments are worth a read - GermanicusRex seems to have a view or two.Hmm

Guardian article here

Riven - too true about some disabled people being healthy. Until I got my MS I was a 'rarely off work' type and still I only get a minor cold a year if that and not much else. Can't get life insurance though........

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SantasMooningArse · 09/12/2010 08:19

I don;t think the NHS will go pay at use tbh; I think the party that tries that rute goes under forever. It is sacred to the UK.

I am also not opposed to private ehalthcare; when i worked in nursing it was my experience that usually teh differences between private and NHS were speed of access for non emergencies and the availabiltiy of sarnies to your family at 3am. If yu were an emergency admission the difference was usually pure luxury tbh.

I did have PHI at one point myself; when I needed it (damamged back, couldn;t really walk more than a few yards) they found loophols to prevent me getting treatment at a hospital I could access with the isue (they wanted me to go to Kent from Somerset, unable to travel in a car with pain.....) so I wouldn't trsut them again, and tbh many of the people we care for on ehre wouldn;t be touched with a bargepole anyhow.

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newwave · 09/12/2010 00:46

hudd, you have my reasons for thinking that, it is not liberal to buy advantage in ......

As always I enjoy the debate but I am tired and have to go to work tommorow, still I finish on the 16th unitl Jan 6th, yipee :o

huddspur · 09/12/2010 00:42

Why is individual freedom in health and education not a feature of a liberal society

newwave · 09/12/2010 00:34

I wouldn't have any problems using PHC even if it put me ahead of others no.

hudd, then that is the difference between you and I, a different moral outlook.

individual freedom is the hallmark of a liberal society IMO. in some aspects (healthcare and education) it is the hallmark of a selfish society not a liberal one.

huddspur · 09/12/2010 00:31

I wouldn't have any problems using PHC even if it put me ahead of others no.

huddspur · 09/12/2010 00:28

I don't think that state provided healthcare should be based on money and it isn't. I do think that people should be given the right to bypass the state and go private if they wish to and individual freedom is the hallmark of a liberal society IMO.

newwave · 09/12/2010 00:27

I also get PHC as a result of the company I work for and although I've never needed it I wouldn't hesitate to use it if needed.

And if this meant getting cancer treatment sooner than someone who does not have PHC and who may even have been waiting longer, you would be morally ok with that.

newwave · 09/12/2010 00:26

In most things I have no problem with consumer choice, houses, cars etc.

Your view seems to be it is ok for healthcare to be based upon money and not need, I doubt there is a millionaire awaiting a hip operation but a pensioner can wait over a year but you see that as acceptable.

I see queue jumping in education and healthcare as anything but liberal.

huddspur · 09/12/2010 00:18

Its just consumer choice is a fundamental aspect of liberalism so it just seems strange that a liberal would wish to restrict it. Similarly I don't think the way you wish to tell doctors that they shouldn't work privately and thus restrict their trade fits into liberal ideology either.

I also get PHC as a result of the company I work for and although I've never needed it I wouldn't hesitate to use it if needed.

newwave · 09/12/2010 00:14

hudd, why are you surprised, private healthcare is a way of a section (normally the well off) taking advantage of other less well off.

Most private operations (not all) are carried out by NHS surgeons outside of their contracted NHS hours, if there was no PHC then the surgeon could supplement his NHS salary by doing more NHS operations. This would allow for an orderly queue without money taking anyone to the front unfairly.

The company I work for gives PHC to the general manager level and above these are the best paid people, those below general manager dont get PHC yet earn the least, that encapsulates all that is wrong with the concept of PHC.

My son gets PHC and he is a banker, the shame of it Sad :) :)