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When will the BBC be held accountable for their lack of patriotism

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longfingernails · 01/12/2010 22:59

Why does this far-left propoganda group continually try to do Britain down?

Why can't they have more presenters who think like the majority of Brits - people who believe that Britain is truly great - indeed, the best country in the world.

People who believe in our institutions, who love the monarchy, who revere the military, who speak in hushed awe about the majesty of our traditions. Presenters who are over-awed by the silent beauty of our countryside, and the glory of our heritage and history. Why do they always use their sneering, supercilious, Guardianista attitude - this constant insinuation that Britain should always be taking the blame and apologising. Coincidentally, it seems to stem from the same sort of sneering middle-classery that is prevalent on MN...

The most recent, shameful episode is the Beeb trying their best to spoil the England 2018 bid. Now I have no time at all for football - I can't stand it - but I fully recognise how important it is for our economy, and also for our national psyche.

The sooner the BBC withers and dies the better. Sadly, it has gotten away with a miniscule 16% cut in the TV tax over 6 years. They will continue their ramblings for the foreseeable future.

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 00:54

Custardo Patriots love their country, full stop. There does not need to be reason or justification (though in our case, there is plenty).

A French patriot would say the same thing about France. Perhaps they would wax lyrical about the French the fine food and wine, the innate poetry of their language - who knows?

An American patriot would talk about the sense of individuality and derring-do that forms the essence of the American dream, the absolutely stunning continuing resonance of the Constitution and the Declaration, etc.

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claig · 02/12/2010 00:53

State funding is state control in an indirect way, a way that can camouflage the control.

Thatcher wanted to radically reform the civil service. Thatcher was in government, but she couldn't do anything that she wanted, there was opposition. The BBC is an institution and there is opposition to institutional change.

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 00:49

Are they instictive Labour supporters or to the left of labour?

If loving the monarchy and harking back to the old days of the empire makes us patriotic, then I wouldn't want to be patriotic.

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 00:48

Why do you have to worry if we are "better" than other countries?

Who is to say who is better than who?

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 00:47

They aren't state controlled.

They are massively left-leaning though, and skewed towards a very narrow type of left-wing worldview - one obsessed by think-tank and Guardian nonsense instead of genuine working class political priorities.

It makes the BBC instinctive Labour supporters, though not formally affiliated in any way. Their editorial judgements are usually far to the left of the Labour party anyway.

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Tortington · 02/12/2010 00:45

what makes us better?

Tortington · 02/12/2010 00:45

communist sympathising journalists....PMSL oh what fun

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 00:45

There are many genuine left-wing patriots. Most of the Labour traditional working-class voting base is the most patriotic demographic out there.

However, the Guardianista Fabianist class from which the BBC draws absolutely detests Britain. They can't stand the things which make us better than other countries. They would rather we weren't Britain at all.

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claig · 02/12/2010 00:40

No, because governments come and go.

tadventjennyp · 02/12/2010 00:38

Surely if the BBC was a state- controlled broadcaster, its bias would change according to the government of the day?

claig · 02/12/2010 00:28

"Politics is more important than synthesisers."
I'm not always convinced of this to be honest."

Then unfortunately you will eventually get the society that you deserve.

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 00:28

The BBC is (supposedly) the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation. Promoting British identity and interests should be part of its Charter - but ultimately, patriotism can't be imposed by diktat. It should hire more patriots, and fire hundreds of non-jobbing middle managers, diversity officers, communist sympathising journalists, union officials and Labour hacks.

Oh, and Nick Robinson is a Blairite through and through. He was a student Tory (and even then, a "wet").

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TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 02/12/2010 00:27

" Politics is more important than synthesisers."

I'm not always convinced of this to be honest.

claig · 02/12/2010 00:26

Goth, of course the BBC do a lot of great stuff. What we are talking about is mind influencing political output.

GothAnneGeddes · 02/12/2010 00:25

Documentaries about synthesisers (and the National Grid too - that was fabulous) are hardly 'bread and circuses', more a reminder of what we'd lose if we lost the BBC.

LFN and Claig - do you not watch the other channels? Do you not realise why the BBC is a truly great institution?

claig · 02/12/2010 00:24

I like all arguments and debates, both left wing and right wing. I want the BBC to give access to both. I don't like one-sided propaganda.

claig · 02/12/2010 00:22

'Some of them can make some decent entertainment though.'

well if you like programmes about synthesisers, the private broadcasters will do those as well. Politics is more important than synthesisers.

claig · 02/12/2010 00:20

I doubt that the BBC will undermine left-wing institutions.

Why is that contradictory?

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 00:19

Also I need to ask, Claig and Longfingernails, are you complaining that the BBC should report equally left and right wing? Or that, as you believe it to be left wing, it is inherently wrong?

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 02/12/2010 00:18

The fact remains that all the alternatives to the state funded broadcasters - from a political point of view - are basically the rancid vomit of a dog that has eaten it's own shit.

Some of them can make some decent entertainment though .

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 00:17

"Thatcher was re-elected several times because the British public are right-wing by inclination. The BBC can't easily influence that.

I agreed it has a left bias. I didn't agree with all the rest. However, a left bias does necessarily involve undermining institutions, just as teh Bolsheviks did in Russia." Claig, isn't that contradictory?

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 02/12/2010 00:16

So when you said "however, a left bias does necessarily involve undermining institutions, just as teh Bolsheviks did in Russia."

(you really DID say that you know. It's just up there. I can still see it.)

you actually meant something completley different?

PrincessFiorimonde · 02/12/2010 00:15

iTigress, I love you. Especially as no one ever on this site has previously recognised my name for what it is.

The rest of you here - ffs, just read my earlier posts. I am right (e.g. about Nick Robinson), so you can all just admire my insight and go to bed now.

HTH Smile

claig · 02/12/2010 00:11

That's right. Which left-wing institutions and thinkers are undermined by the BBC?

claig · 02/12/2010 00:10

'I really like documetries about synthesisers though.'

They know that, just as the Roman emperors knew that the public liked bread and circuses, so they fed Christians to the lions in the Colisseum. A lot of people loved that too, they gave it a thumbs up.