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When will the BBC be held accountable for their lack of patriotism

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longfingernails · 01/12/2010 22:59

Why does this far-left propoganda group continually try to do Britain down?

Why can't they have more presenters who think like the majority of Brits - people who believe that Britain is truly great - indeed, the best country in the world.

People who believe in our institutions, who love the monarchy, who revere the military, who speak in hushed awe about the majesty of our traditions. Presenters who are over-awed by the silent beauty of our countryside, and the glory of our heritage and history. Why do they always use their sneering, supercilious, Guardianista attitude - this constant insinuation that Britain should always be taking the blame and apologising. Coincidentally, it seems to stem from the same sort of sneering middle-classery that is prevalent on MN...

The most recent, shameful episode is the Beeb trying their best to spoil the England 2018 bid. Now I have no time at all for football - I can't stand it - but I fully recognise how important it is for our economy, and also for our national psyche.

The sooner the BBC withers and dies the better. Sadly, it has gotten away with a miniscule 16% cut in the TV tax over 6 years. They will continue their ramblings for the foreseeable future.

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TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 01:28

They used to be the fat cats champions.

I lost some of my faith in Labour when they went all "left of centre" and spent too much effort courting those same fatcats. As with Lib Dems, they sold their soul for power.

claig · 02/12/2010 01:25

I think Cameron is putting a cap on the salaries of some of these people and of civil servants. They want less fatcats.

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 01:25

The Tories and Lib Dems signed up to the levels of regulation of the banks, they also called for LESS regulation. So that argument is old and incorrect.

If the Tories and (haha) Lib Dems can cut waste and make the NHS more effective then I will applaud them. I have no faith that they will, however.

claig · 02/12/2010 01:23

Left wingers spend on bureaucrats and managers on £200,000 salaries. Some of these people presided over hospitals where people died of dehydration. They set targets which massaged figures but were often detrimental to the health of the patients. The Tories will cut waste and manage resources more effectively than Labour did. The Tories will regulate, unlike what Labour did with the banks.

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 01:18

Of course we do, but under the Tories our health care system will be cut and cut and cut. Apparently Labour "wasted" money on trying to improve the NHS.

So which is it? Left wingers wanting to spend to improve, or right wingers wanting to cut?

claig · 02/12/2010 01:16

I'd rather have the French health care system, which the UN said was the best in the world. Why don't Labour look at that? Don't they want us to have as good a system as the people 30 miles across the Channel? Don't the British people deserve as good a health service as the French people?

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 01:15

Our moral values are better than other countries? Are you having a laugh?

We illegally invade other countries and make the poor man pay for the rich man's folly. The right wing would love to get rid of state healthcare and the welfare state. How does ignoring the vulnerable sit with your morals?

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 01:14

Anyway, goodnight all.

A tip for those in London: LBC is far more interesting and varied than BBC Radio 5!

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TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 01:13

I'd rather our NHS than, say, the US model, thanks. Not that it's perfect.

Incidentally, have you seen Cuba's health care model? It's excellent.

LFN, I'm concerned by your attitude of "right wing = right, anything else = wrong".

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 01:11

GothAnneGeddes The Western way of life is better, for most people, than the way of life in many/most other countries.

The moral values our countries are based on, even if sometimes we fall short, are better than the moral values of other nations.

I am clear and categorical about that. Moral relativism leads to us justifying all manner of evils.

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claig · 02/12/2010 01:10

exactly right. Labour are lying to us and keeping the people down for their own left-wing political ends. Left wing dogma is more important to them than the health of the public.

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 01:08

claig This is moving away from the thread, but if the NHS is the "best in the world" then why has no other country in the world copied our healthcare system?

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claig · 02/12/2010 01:07

'left-wing WWII RAF pilots like Tony Benn'

claig · 02/12/2010 01:06

Why didn't she reform the BBC? I think it is because there are limits to what she could do.

claig · 02/12/2010 01:05

Left wingers are patriotic and you can be patriotic and be anti-monarchy, and left-wing pilios like Tony Benn are patriotic. We aren't better than all other countries, and our National Health Service isn't the "best in the world" as the Labour liars keep telling us. This "best in the world" stuff is often used to stop people demanding better.

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 01:03

Margaret Thatcher was our greatest postwar Prime Minister - but sadly she left the job unfinished.

She didn't go nearly as far with the unions as she ought. She didn't go as far with making Britain more dynamic, entrepreneurial and self-reliant as she wanted to. Although she played a crucial part in ending the Cold War, she sadly didn't have the opportunity to reshape Europe in the Anglo-American economic mould. Indeed, she didn't reform the BBC despite ample opportunity.

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TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 01:03

Tebbitt said a lot of things.

claig · 02/12/2010 01:01

Tebbitt said the BBC was left-wing biased. There is a reason that they cannot radically reform the BBC, and that is because it is part of the state.

RobynLou · 02/12/2010 01:00

"PS German patriots are probably best avoided"

[hmm}

I despair

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 01:00

Did she also want to reform the BBC?

GothAnneGeddes · 02/12/2010 00:59

LFN - You only seem to view Western patriotism as valuable, though I suspect that's a topic for another thread.

IMO - I have no reason to feel pride over an accident of birth.

claig · 02/12/2010 00:58

She took the unions on. Their opposition crumbled. But there are other institutions that she could not reform because these institutions are part of the state, unlike the unions. Thatcher wasn't all powerful, she operated in the real world and did what she could. If she had had another 20 years in power, then she would have been able to implement more changes. She implemented what she was able to in the time she had.

TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 00:56

Longfingernails, I love my country. I don't love any of the things you listed in your OP.

Does that make me unpatriotic? Does it, bollocks.

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longfingernails · 02/12/2010 00:55

PS German patriots are probably best avoided.

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TechLovingDad · 02/12/2010 00:54

She couldn't do anything she wanted, due to opposition? If only she'd managed to crush the unions and close all those pesky mines, eh?