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The Big Society

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rabbitstew · 26/11/2010 11:48

(I think I've found my forum, now - posted this just now in Education...). Does anyone else think that David Cameron's idea of "The Big Society" is just his utterly cack-handed was of trying to say that the emotionally resilient should do a bit more to help the emotionally poor and needy (ie understanding the concept that all people in society are occasionally extremely needy and deserving of support, not just the generally inadequate)? I agree with this idea, I just disagree with the method of trying to carry it out - it takes too much responsibility away from the State. And, of course, the attitude of the City, whose workers are supposed to be among the more emotionally resilient, doesn't help foster the right attitude. Apparently, different rules should apply to them - they don't have the time to volunteer in this way, because City workers are just so self-importantly busy making money, nor do they want to donate money to the State to help it in a worthwhile project. They would rather keep all the money to themselves, or pick and choose their own pet charities, rather than getting involved in any sort of common cause. (Behaving like a group of capitalist cats...).

Which leads me to think that the political parties are not poles apart at all - they just disagree on the numbers in society who genuinely need support and how many of them can actually cope with being told to "pull their socks up." ie at least the "Big Society" rubbish is an attempt to show that the conservatives are not totally autistic (unlike the City).

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rabbitstew · 26/11/2010 13:28

Ah, in reality I agree that it is the way the press helps whip up national emotion... I feel equally contemptuous of the behaviour of many football players and film stars and Society's apparent adulation with respect to such behaviour!!!!!

In other words, I'm venting frustration generally, because I feel the loss of goodwill in Society is a very frightening thing. We are all blaming each other for everything, with the encouragement of the press, and poor policiticans and City workers, and the poor and weak, and the middle classes suffer entirely as a result of their own emotions!!!!!!! So I suppose I'm merely wondering whether the press might start being a bit nicer about everything again if the mob got its own way again and got the bonuses off the bankers!!!! Or would the mob then pick on another victim?!!!!!!

What, besides the Big Society, can improve goodwill and community spirit? Another world war???

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Chil1234 · 26/11/2010 13:26

Even if a newspaper printed the story when someone in receipt of a big bonus donated it to charity, the cry would go up on MN 'they're only doing it to make themselves look good!!'... and they'd be accused of a cynical move to worm their way back into our affections. When people were bidding huge amounts of money for the Children In Need 'things money can't buy' on Chris Evans' Breakfast Show last week there was a big thread about how distasteful this was in an age of austerity. It's a no win situation.

Chil1234 · 26/11/2010 13:23

If city workers are a symbol then it is in the shape of 'pantomime villain'. It's easy for the popular press to whip up resentment against them and portray them as grasping fat-cats rather than just people trying to make a living... why not villify other big earners? Football players, film stars and so forth.

rabbitstew · 26/11/2010 13:21

ie all the publicity about the return to high bonuses is extremely unfortunate when combined with messages on The Big Society.

Can you really blame people for feeling the way they do, even if not fair???

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rabbitstew · 26/11/2010 13:17

Unfortunately for City workers, they are the most visible and therefore obviously the most accused. They are a symbol of peoples' sense of injustice and they really aren't helping themselves to stop being such a symbol. If more work isn't done to stop this unfortnate symbolism, I genuinely think that one day misguided people may be provoked into revolution. Would this be worse or better than the current apathy?!

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Chil1234 · 26/11/2010 13:12

'City workers' (whoever they are) have been taxed on their earnings already. Yes, anyone with a large income and a social conscience should be encouraged to be public spirited and donate their money & time to good causes... but they are not breaking any law by accepting the money offered. If we don't want the banks we own to hand out big bonuses we should address that at board level.

The 'Big Society' is an extension of the philosophy that those in need get help but those who are capable of looking after themselves should do so. The extension is that those capable of looking after themselves should also look out for others. I wouldn't limit that to 'city workers'

rabbitstew · 26/11/2010 12:41

Should City workers who feel guilty about the way the City has behaved as a collective and who do not genuinely believe that they only do a good job in order to get a colossal bonus, actually be voluntarily returning their bonuses to the State? That, in my opinion, would be the Big Society in action. We can't force them to pay more tax, but we can ask them to look a bit more closely at themselves and their pathetic justifications that the situation is not any one individual's fault.

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rabbitstew · 26/11/2010 11:54

Or, is it just a cack-handed idea because the Conservatives are the same old party they've always been and are just paying lip service to higher ideals?

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rabbitstew · 26/11/2010 11:50

Talk about failing to take group responsibility... That's what happens when you aren't politically accountable - you can't be voted out.

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rabbitstew · 26/11/2010 11:49

And talking of the City, of course, they actually owe the State an awful lot of money, which makes it even more bl**dy irritating an attitude on their part. Why should they be allowed to opt out so spectacularly?

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