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If your 17 year old wanted to take a day off school to attend the student funding march on Wed would you condone it

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mrswoodentop · 08/11/2010 21:49

What it says really,ds1 ,17 ,very politically aware wants to attend.Its a school day,independent school so I need to write to say we are authorising him to have a day off.

Dh violently against ,very angry with me for even thinking about it ,treats ds like a naughty little boy.I am more ambivelent,I am proud of him for feeling strongly (dh thinks that because he wouldn't go on his own that he just wants a day off school with his friends),I think that this issue is going to have a profound effect on his life and in a way I am quite proud of him for wanting to have a voice, also proud because he has thought carefully about the issues and wants to hear both sides and yes he wants to experience something big ,something new,to be there if you like.But and and its a big but he has to have day off school,he's not a definate oxbridge candidate ,his grades aren't perfect he can ill afford to miss a lot of school,but one day? I don't know,dh has said no and he's agreed so I suppose its over but perhaps we are doing him a diservice (sorry not sure of spelling)

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Maria2007loveshersleep · 09/11/2010 20:53

Of course he should go, it sounds great that he wants to, and I'm not sure I understand your DH's position unless your DS has a habit of missing school which he doesn't.

ChippingIn · 09/11/2010 20:15

PropertySnake - how bloody rude.

Rosettaroo · 09/11/2010 18:28

Good on him for actually being bothered. I work in higher ed and we had a meeting today about staffing and the outcome after the cuts hit/tuition fees rise. I admit to feeling as miserable as sin tonight.

manonamission · 09/11/2010 17:22

Defiantly! Good for him for taking a stand about his future and not like the majority who will just moan and do nothing. This is probably more important to him and his future then one day at school.

Good luck convincing DH

monkeysavingexpertdotcom · 09/11/2010 17:22

I'll be the one with the M and S bag full of food Blush

PropertySnake · 09/11/2010 16:55

He sounds a bit of a sap. Tell him to either go or don't go.

If this is what the next generation of politcal activists looks like then gawd help us.

NicknameTaken · 09/11/2010 16:27

Yes, he'll be a voter in a few months time, and we want an electorate who care about political issues.

AbricotsSecs · 09/11/2010 15:40

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LarkinSky · 09/11/2010 15:39

Good on your son, you've clearly done a great job raising him. Now he's almost a man, don't let your DH start holding him back.

Keep a perspective on one school day versus a formative political/democractic experience he will remember for years.

1944girl · 09/11/2010 14:21

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Liluri · 09/11/2010 13:35

I'd let him go in a heartbeat.

The more active, politically-aware young people we have, the better.

Maybe your son can help turn the tide, as we're currently a nation that seem to be happy to sit back and take whatever crap is flung at us.

One day off school is not a big deal, and he's 17 so presumably able to weigh up the situation for himself.

monkeysavingexpertdotcom · 09/11/2010 13:32

Well I'm going, and I'm 46. Don't tell me mum, though. She'll go MAD......

claig · 09/11/2010 13:30

edam, I am not happy with students taking the day off to campaign for the Countryside Alliance or for this. I think that they may be being influenced politically by politically motivated teachers. I think that many Labour types are happy to encourage pupils to take a day off school to campaign for political causes that Labour types believe in, but would not support it for other causes, such as the Countryside Alliance.

I'm not a supporter of the Countryside Alliance and I am against these ridiculous rises in tuition fees, but I am against encouraging pupils to miss school.

snorkie · 09/11/2010 13:29

some L6 at school are planning to go, but the school have just e-mailed to say they are not sanctioning it, so it remains the be seen how many actually attend. The school's reasons seem to be: worries over their personal safety; and doubts over (some of) their political motivations.

edam · 09/11/2010 13:11

Oh, and Claig, has it occurred to you that Slug's students who were galvanised by the Iraq war may well have voted against the then government - i.e. for the current lot?

mrswoodentop · 09/11/2010 13:10

Completely off topic but can't believe that having been here for about 7 years aI have finally got a thread in Discussions of the day!!

Claig he has an assisted place at independent school,I am very worried about the safetly aspect if he does go but he is 17 I can't wrap him in cotton wool forever .I don't think he can comprehend the amount of people that will be there but on the flip side he is 17 he could fight for his country

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edam · 09/11/2010 13:10

Slug, that's a heartening story, especially about your students then casting their votes.

Claig, so what you really object to are 'Labour types'? And you'd be happy with a 17yo attending a Countryside Alliance march? Seems to me your view is there should be one rule for people of your political persuasion and another rule for everyone else...

slug · 09/11/2010 12:27

Claig. It was an FE college, so the students could do what they liked. For many of them it was a political awakening and something I was more than happy to support. I didn't go on the protest, I had work to do.

Gemma10 · 09/11/2010 12:24

Yes, it's brilliant that he feels passionately about something. My only concern is violence. My 15 year old daughter wanted to go on the climate change protest when she was 13, I wouldn't let her as she was so young and also I was scared of a clash with the police. She is a very forthright young lady and I could actually imagine her getting into a tussle with the police! But certainly for a 17 year old, I think they're old enough to be trusted.

claig · 09/11/2010 11:53

You are paying his fees at the independent school. I can see why your DH thinks that it is not a good idea.

Many of the activists on this protest will be Labour party activists, the sort that are also against independent schools. the reason I mentioned teh Countryside Alliance is that these Labour tyopes would not encourage schoolchildren to join in one of their marches, but there will be many 6th form colleges who do encourage pupils to join in this one. I've got nothing against Countryside Alliance or this march, but I think it is a slippery slope to allow children or 6th form college students to take the day off to participate in protests. Where will it end? and who will decide which cause is politically important enough to allow for days off?

These 6th form colleges that encourage children to join in, will presumably have few pupils at school on that day. Will they still teach the few that turn up to school? and will they have encouraged some students to go along with peer pressure and protest when they might have preferred to study at school?

mrswoodentop · 09/11/2010 11:37

Claig,I think school children and 17 year olds are different though.I definately would have said no this time last year when he was in compulsory schooling.

For what its worth we live in the country and huge numbers went from here on the Countryside Alliance marches not sure why you think they are worse than any other marches.To be frank one was slightly frowned upon here for not going.

Your last point about the employer is my concern actually,in that teachers still have to be in school ,they can't take a day off to suit them so it is disrepectful of him to think that he can.That said sometimes you do have to take a risk or go against the grain and I think on balance this is one of those times.I would take days annual leave from my employer.

We will see what happens when he comes home from school,no doubt there will be lots of discussion today

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NoelEdmondshair · 09/11/2010 11:37

I agree with the changes to student funding but would encourage my child to protest against them if she wanted to.

claig · 09/11/2010 11:10

slug, I think that was a worthy protest, but I don't think it is right to encourage schoolchildren to join in, because there is a danger that teachers may be influencing them politically. Would you also positively shoo your students out of the class and encouraged them to join in a Countryside Alliance march?

I remember the pictures on TV of parents and young children with banners, marching and protesting against the reselection of Hazel Blears. That was in the evening after school, and it wouldn't have been right to encourage them to take a day off school to join in, even though many in the country would consider that a very worthwhile protest.

If you told your employer that you were taking a day off to join the protest, how do you think they would they react? unless they were one of these 6th form colleges who were intentionally giving their pupils permission to take the day off and join in.

vixel · 09/11/2010 11:05

I would let him go, its good to see young people being politically active

slug · 09/11/2010 10:59

On the day the bombs started dropping on Baghdad I postivily shooed my students out of the class and encouraged them to join in the (pre planned) protest march to parliament. They came back the next day buzzing with the experience. These were students from deprived backgrounds whose families and community have a history of not voting. The experience galvanised a large chunk of them to think about their involvement in the political process and many of them have since proudly told me of voting in their first election.

Yes they lost some teaching time, but the knock on effect was far greater than the teaching lost.