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The first time I am furious with the new government

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 08:55

They are selling us out to the EU, just like every government before them.

The EU seems to be getting a big budget increase.

At the same time, if France and Germany are getting a new treaty to govern Eurozone fiscal irresponsibility, we should be doing everything we can to use the leverage to bring back powers and competences to Britain, and to derail the Brussels gravy train. Yet Cameron seems to have capitulated already, without even a word of resistance!

We need huge cutbacks in the EU, not increases. I would go for at least 95% cuts in the EU budget.

I am absolutely livid.

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 21:51

On the contrary. Most of the things they have done have been excellent.

Housing benefit cuts, child benefit cuts, child trust fund cuts, free schools, the pupil premium, income tax threshold raised, scrapping the union modernisation fund, scrapping all sorts of quangos, scrapping ID cards, ending ringfencing of local government cash, corporation tax cut, no NI for startups.

All good stuff.

If I was picky, I would say I was annoyed at cutting defence when they are ringfencing the NHS and international aid - but that was a fairly minor gripe.

However, this is the first thing they have done which has really depressed me.

This must have been what it was like for you lefties when Blair introduced tuition fees!

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LadyBlaBlah · 28/10/2010 21:19

Quite lego..........my apathy has almost set in at this stage

legostuckinmyhoover · 28/10/2010 21:16

amazed it's only just the first time...Grin

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 20:52

tetrea I think declaring all non-license fee funding, when it is relevant to a story, would be a workable idea.

I don't think the British public at large know that the BBC is funded by the EU. They should be told, so they can discount the bias appropriately.

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tetrea · 28/10/2010 20:47

longfingernails that would be absurd. Otherwise the BBC would have to declare UK Government funding everytime there was a story on the domestic Government and the news would just be various declarations of funding.

ragged · 28/10/2010 20:44

Confused.
This Reuters story talks about Cameron successfully drumming up support to oppose the budget rise.

AP saying same things.

UKPA saying same sorts of things about PM fighting budget rise.

Er... those stories were all posted in last 1 hour from reliable sources. But if people want to cling to different viewpoints and use the budget talks to promote agenda on related issues...(I really want a SHRUG emoticon)

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 20:35

The BBC should be forced to declare their EU funding every time they do a story on European politics.

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 20:33

LadyBlaBla

Cameron's sin is one of passivity - not doing something which could win us back powers. Maybe it's because he wants to be liked more than respected. Maybe it's because he, falsely, thinks that the EU will be more amenable to horsetrading and backscratching than red lines and vetos.

However, he has a long way to go before he comes close to Brown and Blair for selling out the British public to the EU. Blair gave up our rebate, for absolutely nothing in return. And the way Brown pushed through the Lisbon treaty without giving the British public their say showed him at his very ugliest.

In truth none of our modern politicians seem to stand up to the EU when they are in government.

Bring back Maggie. Or better yet, Churchill.

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LadyBlaBlah · 28/10/2010 20:26

This is, I fear, another example of Cameron not really checking the facts before he mouthed off and gesticulated wildly about what he will do.

I am so pleased LFN has seen his hollowness, naivety and inexperience shining through.

complimentary · 28/10/2010 19:57

The 'Times' 'Fear of BBC bias follows £141 million loan from EU'.

It is incredible that a publicly funded broadcaster can get loans from the EU, I think this comprimises their impartiality.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 28/10/2010 19:20

"the ECHR is nothing to do with the EU. Whole different ball game."

Well, yes and no. In order to be a member of the EU, one is bound by the ECtHR and the decisions therein, but it's specifically for issues in regards to the ECHR.

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 19:11

It looks like there is a shoddy 2.9% deal.

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Lauriefairycake · 28/10/2010 18:34

It was the Shadow Europe Minister Wayne David who said it. Just looked it up as it was BBC Radio 5 Live I was listening to.

Heres the link link

I'm not saying I'm right (i have cock all opinion) - it's the Shadow guys. Grin

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 18:32

complimentary I think the BBC gets a big EU grant of some sort. No doubt a reward for their utter obesiance to the commisars over the years.

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complimentary · 28/10/2010 18:27

BBC are very pro EU. They are being very 'economical' with the truth for the want of a better word!

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 18:22

Lauriefairycake I just don't believe you on the headline figures. Nevertheless, even if you are right.

What is the cost of EU regulation to British business? Several tens of billions a year, at least.

What is the opportunity cost of badly spent EU money which is recycled?

What is the opportunity cost of British money used on awful EU "matching" projects?

What is the trade cost of EU tariffs to the developing world in order to give bribes to rich French farmers?

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Lauriefairycake · 28/10/2010 18:13

It was on the news at lunchtime today! (BBC news - so have your conspiracy theories ready Grin)

complimentary · 28/10/2010 18:09

Lonfingernails. It is in the Lisbon Treaty that we HAVE to agree budget increases or get heavy fines for not doing so.That is why Cameron has no choice but to agree the increase The EU has and never will be demoncratic, as knowbody who resides in the dreamworld of Brussells has ever been elected, apart from the MEP's who mostt have ever heard of, do you know who your MEP is?

Marth Anderson who was dealing with accounts for the EU (Brussells) exposed the waste and fraud and was duly dispatched from her job.

That is why UKIP polled so many votes at the last election (some 900.000) because many people want out of the EU completely. Many as I do think we are wasting the 45 million we give them every day. We give billions to the EU and we don't know what it is spent on.
The only way to stop this waste is to get out of the EU, which is possible but we are again fined for leaving, although the fine to my knowledge is spread out over two years.

lauriefairycake where did you get your figures from? WE are not negative contributors to the EU we give Billions and get a few billion back, so how do you come up with your figure? LOL also. I shall get offical figures and return!Grin

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 17:52

Lauriefairycake LOL.

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Lauriefairycake · 28/10/2010 17:45

eh? Confused we are negative contributors to the EU - ie. we get more than we give

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 17:43

Frrrrightattendant I don't hate the government as a whole.

I am just disappointed. I thought we might finally get a PM who put Britain's interests before those of our "partners" for a change. We haven't had one since Thatcher.

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smallwhitecat · 28/10/2010 17:30

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 17:28

Chil1234 In what way am I "far right"?

I am to the left of current Tory policy on many things. For example, on immigration. I agree more with the Ken Clarke view on justice than the Michael Howard view. I genuinely want an elected House of Lords. I don't particularly think I am that far to the right...

I suspect more Tory voters (and Labour voters, for that matter) have my opinion about the EU than yours Wink.

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longfingernails · 28/10/2010 17:24

Chil1234 No, I am talking of very recent transfers of powers. The EU took control of various aspects of financial regulation after the coalition came to power.

The point isn't really about the regulations themselves (though the eurocrats do seem to want to destroy London as a global financial centre). It is about sovereignty. Why should this be a matter for Brussels, rather than for Westminster?

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BeenBeta · 28/10/2010 16:57

I heard David Cameron at PMQs talking about it and quite frankly it is obvious we are not going to get anything out of this negotiation and just end up meekly handing over the money.

I am sick of it.