Britain's totally unfair tax system

..and the dewdrop on the end of his nasal hair that extends beyond his nostril. Was it geography you were thinking of Pag?

This is like being lectured by a particularly dull yet earnest professor who doesn't make eye contact and doesn't listen so you just end up being fixated by the leather elbow patches on his cardigan and his monobrow.......

'I know what I know because ive been involved in politics for 30 years.

Im surpised you need proof of what I say ????'

For all we know Ivanhoe, you could be a bored teenager who can't be arsed to do their coursework. You supply no credentials; expect us to believe what you say despite the empirical evidence we see around us that contradicts you.

However I am glad that you agree with Fellatio that Bliar and Brown gave us the downsides of a Labout govt. I have never noticed any benefits from a Labour govt at all, so can't coment on that bit.

And yes! Bully for me and all the other people who decided that Labour needed to go! Yay for us!!

Ivanhoe - Are you serious? Do you think our population would be careering towards a forecast of 70 million if Thatcher had still been in power? Or that 1 in 5 employed people would be working in the public sector? Or that roughly 45% of school leavers would be going to university, and that the children of even slightly affluent parents would pay for tuition whilst the children of poorer parents don't? Which bit of Thatcher's right wing agenda was that exactly?

I'm thinking about this idea that Nes Labour was not a labour government. I suppose Ivanhoe is right in a way - they certainly didn't achieve any of the things that people might hope for in a labour government - like narrow the gap between rich and poor, or improve the chances of working class and disadvantaged children. In fact I'd say the Blair/Brown era gave us all the down-sides of a Labour government but none of the benefits.

'New Labour 1997- 2010 were not a "Labour" Government' Yes, they were; if they were not a Labour government they would have joined the Tory party. You can tell they were socialist by the vast increase in and extension of the welfare state; by the 'buying' of their client state; by the increase in bureaucracy, especially the stealth taxes introduced by Gordon Brown; by the relaxation on immigration; by the underfunding of HM Forces; by the insistence on one size fits all comprehensives; by having Ed Balls as Ed Sec; 'Old' Labour were never far away and lurked beneath the surface.

I didn't vote for them in 97, and have never voted for them because I disagree with the extension of the state into every area of our lives.

Ivanhoe, you lost my respect when someone posted 'link?' (eg evidence for your assertion) and you replied 'don't need one'. Why do you expect us to believe everything you say is 'all fact' when you refuse to supply even a shred of evidence to back it up?

ivanhoe there is a point in tax rates where if you raise taxes higher then you get less tax revenue. Its is shown on the laffer curve.

have heard - sorry.

Ivanhoe, have you heard of the Laffer Curve? It doesn't sound as if you have!

'New Labour was not a Labour government'

Wow. I heard some desperately poor excuses for the Blair/Brown era in my time, but that one deserves a medal.

lol at Ivanhoe - anyone who won't criticise the currenttax system is a stupid tory. But has failed to notice that current tax suituation is post a long term labour govt.

isthe purpose of the thread to make labour supporters look like wankers////

Remind me who was in Government from 1997-2010? Not the Tories - the Labour party and they did such a great job they have been voted out and the Tories (yet again) are clearing up the mess they left.

I believe the evidence in front of me Ivanhoe; I'm not quite sue what you believe.

This is what we are paying for with the EU
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8061967/MEPs-take-350000-study-break-to-Madeira
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8061863/EU-president-used-official-motorcade-for-family-holiday-trip

'scaryteacher, Oh brother have you been brainwashed, and I wouldnt be surprised if you were a Tory, mind you thats just a guess'

Having done 10 years as a Community Charge Officer/Council Tax officer I would imagine I am better qualified than you on the ins and outs of how it all works Ivanhoe. It is based on ability to pay as there is Council Tax benefit for those who can't. Arrangements can also be made according to income to spread payments if people are in difficulty. This is all set out in the LGFA.

I am not an 'EU living Brit', but a Brit living in Belgium. I have been here for 4 years now, but my dh is paid by HMG, as he works in the UK Military. In fact, Ivanhoe, all Brits are 'EU living Brits', as the UK (Britain) sadly is part of the EU.

As far as I am aware the cadastral that is paid here for local taxes is done on the width of the house in some cases, so many houses are tall and narrow. That seems less logical than CTAX.

I think the only brainwashed person here is you Ivanhoe; a low tax economy gets more tax revenue in, so more is available to provide essential services for those who need them. As Porto explained to you, health care provision on Belgium is a mix of state and private insurance, and the Health system works much better and thoroughly than the NHS does. The EU propaganda has well and truly sucked you in.

Except it is, on account of discounts being given to people on low incomes! You can't pretend they don't exist and base your argument on that. I think you have to face up to the fact that most people do not think this is an evil injustice worth manning the barricades for. Neither do they, on the whole, want to swap council tax for big hikes in income tax. If you don't like paying council tax on your big expensive house, move to a smaller, less expensive one. Easy.

Good point. the idea that the value of your house has no relation to your wealth (or lack of it) is nonsense. And as others have said, those on low incomes get discounts on council tax. The poll tax is history.