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Honest question. Is this site a religious site?

843 replies

follderol · 26/01/2009 18:01

It seems to me there's a large amount of Christian posts. I've also noticed a fair amount of disapproval for other religions.

I am an atheist. I don't really want to be part of a christian site posing as a parenting site.

So is this actually a Christian place?

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Threadworm · 31/01/2009 17:00

UQD, I started off as an atheist who was convinced that belief in God was irrational, unscientific, and wrongheaded. But surely, past adolescence, it is quite easy to see that the mere scientific discrediting of God is only a small part of the story.

Ruty has said that she regards God as a metaphor, I think. And even David Attenborough this morning on the Today Programme said that it was wrong to regard him as an atheist rather than an agnostic. He was very open to God.

I want more than a metaphor from God. And I think I might be able to find a bit, a little bit more than a metaphor, maybe.

I want the assertion of God to be just a way, a very precious way, of stating the very special status we assign to all of the yearning thoughts that we associate with the dilemma of being a conscious mind in a material universe, seeking meaning, and seeking union with other minds.

It is like the very best painting, or piece of music, or whatever. One that has ben filtered through all the hundreds of years of seeking after meaning, so that it captures universal ideas -- like fairy stories capture the universal anxieties of childhood.

It captures truth, in a beautiful way. Rather than asserting a truth which might be shot down on a scientific model. The scientific model is as relevant to religion as the chemical analysis of paint is to art appreciation.

I'm a tad pissed on the Pale Ale I drank while unpacking my Tesco loot, so perhaps not making sense.

Swedes · 31/01/2009 16:52

UQD I think that's ungracious of you. I think you need to start thinking of God as a feeling rather than as something tangible. Do you know what a feeling is or do you need evidence?

UnquietDad · 31/01/2009 16:44

I know - I'm not criticising people for not having been involved in discussions 15 years ago, but I do find it amusing to be to be told by some people that I am just parroting Dawkins when I was discussing atheism years before I'd even heard of him.

I've seen rebuttals of most of the god arguments before, and so it inevitably gets a bit "same old" - because those are the atheist answers. It's like being told "but you said the earth went round the Sun the last time this came up. When I say no, the Sun goes round the earth, can't you come up with anything better?"

AMumInScotland · 31/01/2009 16:37

Well, most of us probably didn't get involved in that discussion - I'm not sure how you think such a big topic is going to reach a conclusion, with either side saying "Oh, now I see your point - we are all daft aren't we?"

UnquietDad · 31/01/2009 16:33

Well, the biscuits are probably more interesting...

(I can't believe sometimes how the same old stuff which people were arguing against on alt.atheism - back in 1994 when I first got on to the internet - still gets churned out here. At least the semantics over "probably" are vaguely new, but not much else.)

AMumInScotland · 31/01/2009 16:19

Typical of this thread - I just manage to catch up with the philosophy, and we've wandered back to biscuits

Threadworm · 31/01/2009 16:12

If a Lion Bar were to speak, we would not understand it.

IorekByrnison · 31/01/2009 15:55

Whereof we cannot eat thereof we must remain silent.

ruty · 31/01/2009 14:08
Grin
Threadworm · 31/01/2009 14:00

Tesco now.

Threadworm · 31/01/2009 14:00

Custardless Creamless are ineffable biscuits, favoured by incorporeal dragons.

ruty · 31/01/2009 12:17

shoe shopping threadie? For children? Shudder.

Ah now there is a worthy Calvinist pursuit Swedes. Scraping the cream out of the custard creams for after church. What though, could you call them? Custardless creamless?

Swedes · 31/01/2009 12:13

I suppse we would have to get rid of the cream filling though as it might be a little too indulgent?

Threadworm · 31/01/2009 12:13

(btw ruty, thanks for quote -- will look at it properly later. Busy right now. Got to go shoe-shopping[groan])

Swedes · 31/01/2009 12:10

We could rename Custard Creams Calvinist Creams? It seems more apt?

Threadworm · 31/01/2009 12:05

This thread has been v busy this morning.

Threadworm · 31/01/2009 12:03

I have Huguenot ancestry. It provokes a craving for a Proustian Madelaine(sp) biscuit, but it is overwhelmed by my peasant ancestry, which just shovels in whichever vile child-biscuit is in the cupboard.

Mu aunt is a Unitarian and makes the best ever Yorkshire Pud.

Swedes · 31/01/2009 11:59

Bartholomew

Swedes · 31/01/2009 11:57

I suspect any self respecting Huguenot would turn up his substantial nose as a custard cream. Would he not prefer a Bartholemew Biscuit?

RustyBear · 31/01/2009 11:54

Actually I came across a reference to the Spaghetti monster on Mumsnet before I ever got round to reading Dawkins. Which probably says more about my preferred reading than anything else....

IorekByrnison · 31/01/2009 11:41

Custard creme sounds a little French, non? I think these were the preferred biscuits of the Huguenots

IorekByrnison · 31/01/2009 11:40

Splutter at the lookalikes, swedes.

FioFio · 31/01/2009 11:38

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ruty · 31/01/2009 11:30

can i just add Caravaggio and the way he used low life and criminals as his models in his paintings of Christ and his disciples as another example for my list...

Swedes · 31/01/2009 11:30

monstor monster