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Things that are utterly bloody fascinating

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ElizabethBest · 06/03/2023 14:24

Let's hear it please - I love a good wikipedia rabbit hole. I'll start - The Willard Suitcases. Over 400 suitcases of possessions were found in an attic at the Willard Insane Asylum belong to patients who had died whilst inpatients so never left. The New York State Museum started a project to document the cases and their contents, and you can learn all about it and see the cases on their website.

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ElizabethBest · 07/03/2023 12:47

@Emotionalsupportviper The residents were allowed access to their possessions - any they didn’t need were packed in their cases but they could have them whenever they wanted, and after their deaths their possessions were packed away in case their families wanted to claim them. Those that were unclaimed were forgotten about until the attics were rennovated in 1995, when the cases were given to the New York State Museum.

the residents were also allowed to make visits to friends and family etc.

The photographer’s blog contains conversations with staff, family members etc. Suitcase #2, which belonged to Anna, is a good example - Anna’s niece got in touch with the photographer to talk about her, and she would make frequent visits to her family.

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Resembleflower · 07/03/2023 12:43

Northwick park hospital london has one!

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 07/03/2023 12:42

The first automatic toaster (I want one but not the death trap this one is.......)

GriddleScone · 07/03/2023 12:42

calimali · 07/03/2023 08:31

It's interesting that so many of us are fascinated by women in history. There really is not enough coverage in film and TV on the lives of women - especially on the lives of ordinary women.

I loved The Weaker Vessel by Antonia Fraser, and more recently The Five by Hallie Rubenhold.

Absolutely. But mainstream media needs to be challenged too. For example 'The Dig' reduced female archeologist Peggy Piggot to a young, pretty and lovestruck character who was chosen for the job because she was light and delicate. In reality, she was a highly respected, published archeologist who had already been in charge of digs.
They invented a male photographer to be her love interest erasing the two women who actually did the job - commended at the time for producing the first ever detailed, coloured documentation for an excavation project.
To create an audience- friendly trope, film makers/writers eliminated three fascinating and talented women.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/03/2023 12:41

kateandme · 07/03/2023 02:28

died.hmm debatle.
and put in the attic.
more like confiscated,stolen.robbed of everything they new or owned.
abuse mistreated and basically killed.
suitcases hidden away from them as a way of punishing and stripping them as soon as they entered.
diminished them on sight. took away all they had left. left them begging for their belonging.for pctures of family or the dress of the baby they just had to give up or their mums hankie.
they didnt deserve to own things.
they were taken.
they didnt die inside.they never left.were trapped in some of the worst most horrific treated ways you could ever imagine.
and also at this stage not just those who were ill. just people seen as lesser than.degraded. made to feel like nothing.never to see their belongings again.

Heartbreakingly, I am sure that you are right.

These few precious things - things that reminded them of previous life, of those they love, of their humanity - taken from them and put aside. "You have nothing now. You are nothing now. This is your life"

God - how dreadful.

GrannyWeatherwaxsHatpin · 07/03/2023 12:40

The history of food. It's such a fundamental thing - we literally need it to live - and yet it says so much about us: our societal status and what we want to say about ourselves, our background, our culture, fads and fashions, scientific developments, political policy, education and public health...

Other things that fascinate me: space (especially nebulas), timeslips, mycorrhizal networks (as PPs have said, this includes how trees can communicate, I recommend Suzanne Simard's "Finding the Mother Tree"), clouds and weather (I mean, how does the wind blow?) and lots of lots of history. The latter includes the Mitfords, London, periods of change and transition, the Georgian era, the Underground, and the history of my house. Occasionally I find an old picture hook or a fragment of wallpaper and it fascinates me. I think it's social history that grasps my attention: how did we live and why?

I have ridiculously eclectic interests and often find myself down a rabbit hole. I'm off to read up on Mitochondrial Eve now!

BalloonSlayer · 07/03/2023 12:33

In Bill Bryson's book about Shakespeare he says that during analysis of his idiolect, they have discovered that he hardly ever uses the word "also," and where he rarely does, the person saying it is a bit of a twat. He obviously had a downer on the word. But the other authors like Bacon and Marlowe, who are rumoured to have actually written the plays, use the word in a normal distribution and in the same way as we do.

Neuronamechange · 07/03/2023 12:31

Saved this thread late last night as I knew I’d get drawn in if I went further than the Foundling Museum.
Less exciting than many other posts here but I saw this photo earlier today. Obviously had to go look it up. www.instagram.com/p/BGZ7VwbvG6H/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Things that are utterly bloody fascinating
Weallhaveavoice · 07/03/2023 12:31

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/03/2023 12:27

Wonderful! How did you come to have archaeologists - did you find something during renovations, invite them in randomly, or just wake up one morning to find your garden crisscrossed with trenches?

Our property is well known and in a local museums
Archaeologists had been allowed on land near us and had noted that they had never been allowed access to our property and land. ( We we’re told this at the local history centre ) I say land it’s not huge, just an acre now.
When we bought it we asked if they’d like to dig.

We ve had about 20 here every summer for the past few years.
They’re back again this year.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/03/2023 12:27

Weallhaveavoice · 07/03/2023 11:44

I’m fascinated by where we live and how it has evolved over time.
We have for the last few years had archaeologists digging up our garden.
So far they found a turkey, it turned out it was buried quite ceremoniously, so a pet. Aparently that was not unusual..
Plus various coins 13th, 14,15th century coins and a Tudor period spur,
Lots of the unusual flint materials aswell.

They also found what they think may be the original floor or external surface of the house.

It has been amazing and more to come.
We have been researching who lived here, what they were like, etc.
It would be lovely to find some treasure though, might help with the renovations😀

Wonderful! How did you come to have archaeologists - did you find something during renovations, invite them in randomly, or just wake up one morning to find your garden crisscrossed with trenches?

dropthevipers · 07/03/2023 12:27

The last recipient of a US civil war pension died in 2020. WTF?

Ladyofthesea · 07/03/2023 12:26

I don't understand at all how memory works, especially when there is a quiz question of which you know you know the answer but have forgotten it for the moment. How does that work? Why can't you just remember it? Or just forget it, but how on earth do you know that you know the answer but habe just forgotten it tenporarily? It's insane.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/03/2023 12:25

Why do you think there are so few records about him?

As Halsall says, it was a long time ago. We know almost nothing about most people from then - Shakespeare is better recorded than most.

how did the Syrians and the Egyptians and the Maya and the Inca all come up with the same ideas?

Making a building that is wider at the base than the top is just logical. Dump a pile of sand out of a bucket and you get a basic pyramid. Physics, observation, and experiments with doing it the other way up being spectacular failures, mean there is no need to posit alien intervention for the invention of pyramids.

If multiple civilisations had been building geodesic domes, or things like this, lh6.googleusercontent.com/_LK3Jc8YZXjs/TAhsII68hKI/AAAAAAAAX7s/mL37hS4sBww/s800/strange-house-13.jpg it might be a more difficult question.

Fourecks · 07/03/2023 12:19

The story of the girl behind the face of CPR dummies:
www.livescience.com/cpr-doll-resusci-annie-face.html

I visited Newgrange nearly 20 years ago and found it fascinating. I enjoyed it much more than Stonehenge, partly because I hadn't previously heard of it.

(OP's title is now slightly ironic given all the talk of periods!)

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 07/03/2023 12:18

I've just bought a used copy of The Lodger Shakespeare book. Sounds right up my street. Thanks for mentioning it.

Halsall · 07/03/2023 12:17

Glamourreader · 07/03/2023 11:36

I have spent hours reading these. I also love 'voices from the old Bailey ' on BBC sounds. The presenter correctly states that we'd have no record of the existence of many of the accused if it weren't for them appearing in court.

I'm no legal expert but the old Bailey records suggest that if a woman gave birth alone and the baby died then she was presumed to have killed it and sentenced to hang. Is this right, and if so is it the only time the onus is on the accused to prove their innocence rather than the other way around? Does anyone know?

My understanding is that it would be extremely difficult for a woman to prove, without any other witnesses to back her up, that her child was born dead, sadly. I suspect - though I don’t know for sure - that a single woman of the serving classes would automatically be suspected of killing the child. I don’t think that it necessarily follows that they always suffered the ultimate fate; some might have been found innocent and some might have been found guilty but with a ‘recommendation to mercy'.

Blueisthecolour1 · 07/03/2023 12:10

The fact that some animals have nurseries to look after their little ones.

WestwardHo1 · 07/03/2023 12:10

Tricyrtis2022 · 07/03/2023 12:08

I listened to a R4 programme on that, about 20 years ago, and recall it was said that the development of accents can be related to landscape, how people would call to one another over distances and how the sounds moved. I'd love to hear it again but doubt it's available now.

Wow!

God I love Radio 4! Ditto BBC4.

Weallhaveavoice · 07/03/2023 12:10

Halsall · 07/03/2023 12:07

@DumpedinKilburn The Lodger - Shakespeare on Silver Street. God, I love that book. There's just so much arcane information in there about Tudor everyday life - I mean, who knew about the people who made head-dresses for the theatre? Now I do.

I think there are so many misunderstandings about Shakespeare not being mentioned in records. He was. But things get destroyed. Manuscripts and records are burned, thrown away, used to butter pie-dishes or back books. We’re talking over 500 years ago. He actually pops up in records all over the place. He just doesn’t appear as people wanted him to appear. They simply couldn’t believe that someone 'ordinary' had the intellect to write those plays and sonnets. So it had to be Francis Bacon, or the Earl of Oxford. James Shapiro is so revelatory on all of this.

Christopher Marlowe is another possible.

PelicanWings · 07/03/2023 12:09

HoldingTheDoor · 07/03/2023 10:06

Most of you will probably think I am "seriously mistaken

That's one way of putting it.

I think this too.

Bloody hell. Now there's 2 of them.

Why people believe utter nonsense like this. That's fascinating in its own way I guess.

Great thread though.

I know! Oh well humans are obviously far too stupid to have ever thought of and built a pyramid, must have been aliens!

Just because a person was born millenia ago doesn't mean they were stupid!

Tricyrtis2022 · 07/03/2023 12:08

WestwardHo1 · 07/03/2023 12:05

Accents and how they developed. And why. And how quickly.

I listened to a R4 programme on that, about 20 years ago, and recall it was said that the development of accents can be related to landscape, how people would call to one another over distances and how the sounds moved. I'd love to hear it again but doubt it's available now.

Lillygolightly · 07/03/2023 12:07

I can also recommend The Why Files you tube channel for interesting videos on all sorts of strange, unexplained and historical happenings. He does also does a fair bit of debunking too.

This is an interesting one

Halsall · 07/03/2023 12:07

@DumpedinKilburn The Lodger - Shakespeare on Silver Street. God, I love that book. There's just so much arcane information in there about Tudor everyday life - I mean, who knew about the people who made head-dresses for the theatre? Now I do.

I think there are so many misunderstandings about Shakespeare not being mentioned in records. He was. But things get destroyed. Manuscripts and records are burned, thrown away, used to butter pie-dishes or back books. We’re talking over 500 years ago. He actually pops up in records all over the place. He just doesn’t appear as people wanted him to appear. They simply couldn’t believe that someone 'ordinary' had the intellect to write those plays and sonnets. So it had to be Francis Bacon, or the Earl of Oxford. James Shapiro is so revelatory on all of this.

Weallhaveavoice · 07/03/2023 12:07

TheLadyofShalott1 · 07/03/2023 08:29

I have been there and it is amazing. I truly believe that Newgrange, Stonehenge, the Great Pyramids in Egypt, and probably those in Central and South America as well, were all calculated and designed by extra terrestrial aliens - even if they did get humans to actually build them. I came to that conclusion about the Egyptian Pyramids when I was a child, long before I knew that other people also thought that that was a possibility.

Most of you will probably think I am "seriously mistaken", but it is the only conclusion that makes complete sense to me. I also think that if the parting of the seas in the Bible did happen, and if Manna from Heaven also happened, that that was due to an alien star ship, and it's crew. None of which negates there being a God, there are still far more questions than there are answers.

@teawamutu
If you’re ever in Guernsey there’s another passage tomb there.
Literally next to the road. They open it the the morning and you can just wander in. No charge.
It a lot smaller than newgrange but there are still remnants of ceiling paintings
Theres another one on a hillside in Guernsey too.It’s very small. Just built into the hill, but it’s a bit of a climb down from the road.

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 07/03/2023 12:07

TheLadyofShalott1 · 07/03/2023 08:16

I was lucky enough to see the Turin Shroud at the Louvre many, many years ago, when it was there on a limited loan. I had gone to see the Mono Lisa, which left me cold, but then I went to see the Turin Shroud which literally gave me goosebumps.

⁸I heard on the news sometime later that carbon dating meant it couldn't have been the real cloth that Jesus was wrapped in, but they must have made a mistake, because the feelings I got from that piece of Cloth was not imagined.

What I find so mysterious is that in 2023 they still don't know how the shroud was made, how it has that facial imprint, Even people who are certain it's a forgery dating from the middle ages can't explain how it was made.

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